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Speaker 2 (2m 10s): Thanks for having me back again.
Speaker 1 (2m 12s): It's a pleasure. Maverick Producer Terry Stevens started out selling porn on V H S when the business was highly illegal in the mid nineties, before a chance encounter with a customer gave him the opportunity to make his first amateur movie. It was a couple of years later when he gained recognition as an amateur producer on the popular viewer's wives series From Your Choice in Holland, while still doing the round selling videos by mail order and door to door got rated, a two year court case ensued.
Meanwhile, Terry was gaining recognition with his new One Eye Jack Gonzo series of movies that earned him a seven movie distribution deal to produce new movies for extreme associates in the us. But the company had problems of its own and stopped. At five, Terry teamed up with a partner to Launch Wrist Action Entertainment, A D V D distribution company supplying sex shops across the uk. The problems with the newfound industry gone legal had problems that required a concentrated effort, or I should say a concerted effort to set standards.
And UK adult producers was born from a chance gathering of producers to form an association under the name of producers for a Pint. I like that. Ucap, as it came to be known later, was a collection of producers who engineered the much needed changes that were required in a largely unregulated business, which later found itself defending the rights to produce adult content for sale in the uk. And its numerous challenges from the R 18 online at V O D and age verification while gaining momentum with his award-winning series Real Couples, which was featured on Playboys, et cetera, and juggling with productions in daily politics with performers and his commitment to the association as well as staying ahead of all the changes that come with the business and a constant state of flux.
After years of being a secretary to the various administrations, over a 10 year period, Terry became the default chairman for the full five year term and oversaw the UCAP Awards from 2014 to 2018. Since the pandemic, Terry has been living in Bulgaria and continues to monetize the business, he created and promotes his website. So what's the difference, Terry, between Naked Truth Guy and Terry Stevens?
Speaker 2 (4m 36s): Wow, very big difference. Naked Truth Guy came about when I became more aware of the politics in this industry. So I, I don't like to use the word activist, but I, I think I did become more of an activist at one point in my career from 20
Speaker 1 (4m 57s): Sure.
Speaker 2 (4m 58s): 15, I think it was. It was a guy called Jerry Barnett who actually got me turned onto all this because one day he said to me, Gail was coming to the UK and she was doing a stop, was it a stop porn culture convention in London where they were trying to get, cause they, they already got porn banned in Iceland. So they were trying to, what? They came over to the UK to continue at their, their campaign over here.
And we just met with them as a sort of counter demo, if you like, because we felt that if we didn't, if we didn't defend the porn, then left Unopposed, they were gonna make changes that, that the government were gonna listen to. So yeah, it was, it was interesting. I I filmed that, that that particular day and I realized that while I was having an an opinion about it, I didn't want it affecting my day-to-day business. So, naked Truth Guy came about when I started doing podcasts.
The reasons why I did those podcasts in the beginning was a simple way of reaching out to an audience rather than tell him. Because a lot of people would ask me, what happened at the meetings? What happened here? And I thought, you know what? I'd just do a podcast. And that way you can listen to it. Cause you know how it's, you go into a meeting and, and everyone's expecting information from you. I've got told the same story 20 or 30 times. I thought, Hey, you know what, just do a podcast, listen to the podcast, and then ask questions from that. And that's how it developed.
Speaker 1 (6m 33s): You should have had recorded answers to play to them.
Speaker 2 (6m 37s): Yeah. Well, yeah. I I guess in the end though, I did though, I thought it was just a more of a practical way of getting the information across to a lot of people. Cause I I was answering to a lot of people after who, who missed the meetings on the day. Yeah. As a result of that though, as, as we went forward and I got more involved in the age verification and, and I, I, I was starting to see a lot of things that were going on and a lot of my opinions were formed from my observations of what was going on at these meetings.
And a lot of the times I'll vent my own opinion. Cause I was chairman by default anyway. So I guess a lot of people were a little bit wary that, well, the chairman's got these opinions, but we don't agree with those opinions, you know, so they said to me, you need to have your own platform. So that's really one of the reasons why Naked Truth Guy took hold. I mean, naked Truth Guy really was a natural extension to the Naked Truth Podcast. And the Naked Truth Podcast came from an idea that the truth doesn't have to be dressed up.
Speaker 1 (7m 39s): Ah, there it is. So, you know, it's interesting you talk about anti-porn protests. I don't know, I, we, we talked about this the first time, I think. Yeah. Ex Biz did one show in London and there were, you might have been at that one. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (7m 57s): They did several every year in London. I was at most of them, but I
Speaker 1 (8m 1s): They do several in. Okay. Well
Speaker 2 (8m 3s): They they did. So I think they started now. Well,
Speaker 1 (8m 5s): The first time, yeah, it was the fir Yeah. The Europe show did start in London, I believe it was the first year in London where they had an anti porn protest across the street where there were a bunch of women and then
Speaker 2 (8m 19s): Protesting. I know when it was, it was at the Red Blue Hotel near to Tolan Court Road. Yes. And they were turning
Speaker 1 (8m 26s): Up Exactly.
Speaker 2 (8m 27s): Guest masks. Yeah. These protesters were turning up in guest masks and being a nuisance outside, weren't they? Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I find that, that the whole group just toxic.
Speaker 1 (8m 39s): Well, look, they're, they're getting stronger and stronger, unfortunately. And of course they've got the religious right behind them and they're getting really strong in the US and that's, that's something that, you know, the Free Speech Coalition and others are trying to fight against. But it's, they're kind of hard to fight against. You know, trying to get politicians to say that they agree with porn is a little bit of a problem, especially for them to come on record and say it.
Speaker 2 (9m 7s): This is Naked Truth. Guys, take on that. And from my own personal observation, I found out that none of those organizations exist if they weren't well funded. The only reason why those guys and girls are anti-porn is cause they're getting paid. I'll pick out Lila Miel from Exodus Cry. She's making millions from the knee-jerk reactions of parents who are frightened of porn. Right. And they feel that Lila Miel is gonna be the savior to bring down the whole porn industry. Shell never, ever succeed.
Yeah. There's a reason why they'll never ever ban porn, because there has to be a whipping post for these politicians to mount their agendas on. And porn is the platform is, I mean, I've heard that the porn industry is the bastard child of Hollywood. So in other words, we're gonna, we're gonna always exist. Porn will always prevail. A mainstream producer told me that mainstream producer friend told me this. He said, porn will always prevail. He said they tried. Yeah.
Tried. Somehow the porn industry will find a way of thriving.
Speaker 1 (10m 12s): Well, we're, we're strong. We're strong, and we're, we're strong. Oh,
Speaker 2 (10m 15s): We're resilient. We're resilient. That's the thing. You could take a,
Speaker 1 (10m 20s): Yeah, exactly. So what can we learn about the past in our industry and where can we find information about that?
Speaker 2 (10m 28s): That's a very good question. The interesting thing about that question is you have to remember that history is constantly repeating itself. This industry is constantly evolving. When I say it's in a state of flux, I mean that it's just constantly just evolving one way or another. It's, it's moving forward. But for every two steps forward, you take, you always seem to take about three steps back. You know, somebody's trying to hold us back. What we're experiencing today with Exodus Cry is probably no different from the Meese Commission. And then before that you had, yeah, there were other censorship things like to do with other noted names back in the day.
What's her name? Kenita Royal, who, you know, who's a female producer, who's an activist. So, you know, female producers are nothing new to the industry. They're trying to make it look today that, you know, women are subjugated to men's gays and fantasies. They are, they are. But at the same time, women are also empowered to, to make the kinda porn that they wanna make. Now there's a, there's a lot more women making porn. As a matter of fact, if you look at things like only fans, everyone's become independent now. I mean, technology has now democratized the industry to the point where everyone who wants to make porn can make porn now.
So there's no one being oppressed, there's no female being oppressed. They're all in it by choice. Whatever their motives are.
Speaker 1 (11m 47s): That's right. Mostly the motives are to make money.
Speaker 2 (11m 52s): Absolutely. And you know, during the pandemic, as everybody noted, there was a, a huge groundswell of new people coming into the industry that would've never considered doing porn. But they, I wouldn't say they were forced to do it. Oh, sure. No ever forced to do anything. But I think they considered that, well they can make a good living and, and get outta this, you know, they, they're gonna be spending a lot of time at home. Yeah. Why not?
Speaker 1 (12m 14s): You're right. And a lot of people, I think, needed only fans to eat during the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (12m 22s): Yes, totally.
Speaker 1 (12m 24s): What do you think the likes of only fans will do and is doing to the, the rest of the industry?
Speaker 2 (12m 32s): Right now? I don't think, I mean, only is popular as we know as a platform. But at the moment there's a lot of heavy criticism against it. Cause they haven't paid any lip service to their, their sex worker contingent. Now I understand why they do this, to be honest, because if you understand, of course, how the payment processors work, they could never acknowledge the sex worker side because that area was considered toxic for banking practices.
And as a result of that as well, a lot of people may not know this, but only is also monitored and moderated or regulated, what should I say by which is the watchdog for regulating the internet in the uk actually regulating the media generation.
Speaker 1 (13m 26s): Interesting.
Speaker 2 (13m 26s): All know that. City rules. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean there's a, there's a, a government quango, they may not class themselves as a government quango, but if you know a, what a quango is, it's, it's a job that's been created to create a body of people who will comply by the law of what's legal and what isn't legal. And again, what is legal written on the statute is sometimes subject to interpretation. You know, things like squirting, they won't allow squirting.
So what's happened now? You're gonna see a load of people, load of girls migrating to the other platform, another platform that's offshore. Like something like Ley, which I believe is American. Right. The American or Canadian, I'm not sure. Somewhere that's the world. But where censorship is a bit more relaxed. There's that one.
Speaker 1 (14m 19s): I'm not,
Speaker 2 (14m 20s): Yeah, I I would say censorship a lot more relaxed in the US And sometimes if you speak to American, they don't feel it's relaxed. But in terms of what they can do with content so
Speaker 1 (14m 31s): Far
Speaker 2 (14m 32s): Yeah. For the sake of conversation, yeah. They'll move to a platform where they, where the, the laws are a little bit more relaxed than in the uk.
Speaker 1 (14m 40s): Interesting. So how do you, when we're talking about the past and the industry, how do you ask the right questions to get the proper answers?
Speaker 2 (14m 51s): This is, that's an interesting one because you really need to know what you're talking about first before you can ask the right kind questions. And more often than not people would. That's right. Always, always ask the questions like how do you get into the business? Now that's an interesting question in itself because I would say, well, these days to start an only account, but that's, there's more to it than that because there's a whole load more to it than that. You know, then you've got tell them that, well if you're gonna be working with somebody else, you know, you've get tested, then you've get tested to a certain profile.
You know, because then you tell them that you in the industry so that they know what profile test you for. Then you're gonna need three months of tests right before you. I mean, this doesn't apply to everybody. I mean, some people might just for 14 test, 14 test and they're happy. That's different industry's. So easiest way to do it is to really set, set up your own self of an only account. But then you've gotta find other people to work with.
And then you've gotta know the, the etiquette of dealing with people to work with, to answer the right questions. You really need to learn a little bit about the industry first. And I, I do think there, there should be some kind of an induction process to the business when people come in. There should be like, I agree. Yeah, there should be
Speaker 1 (16m 12s): Don't university.
Speaker 2 (16m 14s): Well do you know, the weird thing is in terms of university, I believe something like is already doing something that Italy mean he's a program about is university. Have you seen it? Yeah. It's brilliant. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But it's interesting because he's got a load of guys staying, staying on campus. They all stay on campus and he's got these about six to eight porn stars. Yeah. Who service their needs. Rocco's, educating these chaps about how to, how to start a scene. He teaches them first that they to be confident.
Speaker 1 (16m 44s): Interesting.
Speaker 2 (16m 44s): Roco. So yeah, there's a whole protest. There's a whole process to
Speaker 1 (16m 47s): It. Who else?
Speaker 2 (16m 48s): Yeah. Well Roco is legend. Any really, but, you know, but you know what, what what upsets me more about Roco doing that is that I had that idea 10 years before and I was ridiculed for it. It's like poor university. Oh,
Speaker 1 (17m 2s): There you go.
Speaker 2 (17m 3s): Can't stop it Terry. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17m 4s): You didn't know. Yeah. You, you, you didn't know what you were talking about. Right?
Speaker 2 (17m 8s): Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. What do I know? You know, and everything that I, everything that I talk about has come from my experience and observation of this industry. And I always feel that for every problem we've got, there is a solution and there's a practical solution. So I say to people, look, if you, you wanna ask me? Cause I've been told when I was chairman of ucap, there are certain people that said to me, oh, we, we didn't learn anything from being with you. Yeah. And I thought, what you mean? I said, well, everything you told us was wrong.
And I thought, well maybe cuz you was asking the wrong questions. But then I would say on the contrary, I think you've learned a lot. You've learned not how to, to do it. Now. That's the thing. I said what works for me may not necessarily work for you. That's the thing. I came from a different era. Correct. Said came from a period where we were creating stuff, we were platform were setting against these various factions that were thrown as Yeah.
Over the years, you know, with the bfc, the R line, the avo, you know, the government thing. And I remember distinctly people said, oh that's, it's banned against the government said it's not about against the government, it's about opposing the government and slowing the protest down so we can have a discuss discussion about this. Correct.
Speaker 1 (18m 32s): Yes.
Speaker 2 (18m 32s): The one thing I've learned about
Speaker 1 (18m 33s): The government, the old saying, the old saying, you can't, you can't fight city hall, you know, but you can fight city hall.
Speaker 2 (18m 40s): Yes you can. Yeah. And what, and what you do is that you oppose their next bill or you oppose something that's coming through and they'll want to know who's opposing it. And I found that the government, when we've, we've actually been to, to White Hall down to Central London, and I've been in Parliament as well, was invited to parliament at Tbx. Yeah. And you, we had a chance to have a chat with various people and we found that a lot of the times the government really do have bigger fish to fry than deal with porn.
And they do tell us that they have to be seen to be something. Hello. I think what you find is that the people that are driving it, the driving the government to do these things are the people like the nspcc, you know, the National Society for the Prevention of quality to children. Yeah. So they're driven by their remit. If you like to protect children on the internet. Yeah. They don't care how it's done. They just want it done. Right. And that's the thing because they don't know nothing about the industry.
Speaker 1 (19m 40s): Well, and
Speaker 2 (19m 41s): They just,
Speaker 1 (19m 42s): They just assume we're, we're a bunch, we're a bunch of pedophiles. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19m 47s): Bruce, I did try to reach out to them, but you know, they just weren't interested. They just didn't even respond back. So I thought, well, you know what, we, we had good suggestions to put forward and how to protect children online, but if you don't wanna hear it, what can we do?
Speaker 1 (20m 1s): Well, and that would be the, that would be the response I would expect. So what are your thoughts on using social media platforms for promotion and what do you think people in our industry need to know about them?
Speaker 2 (20m 15s): Well, social media platforms, first things first. Okay. Technically we're all breaking the law. You're using them. The, we're we're advertising adult content and we're putting naughty images on there. We're breaking the terms of service. But, you know, interesting. We're, we're breaking it on master the point. They're just looking the other way now. They just, I, they just couldn't be bothered. That's okay. Look, we told them not to put porn in it, but now we're, we're swamped porn. Ok. So we're gonna have to deal with this another way. Now, what people need to realize, I think if, if you follow the rules to, to a degree that, that there's, I think that they're a little bit lenient when they say, okay, look, if you're gonna do this, do it in your timeline, but don't put it on your main display.
Yeah. Keep keep that friendly. Because that's the first port of call that everybody makes when they're go onto Twitter and they see all your, all, all everybody who signed up. Correct. They don't wanna be looking at porn. So I, I agree with that. I think that's great. I think you shouldn't put porn in your main display. Yep. You can put it, you can, you can mention it in your bio. They do hardcore.
Speaker 1 (21m 20s): They do.
Speaker 2 (21m 21s): Yeah. But, but also what, what everyone needs to remember was every time you are thrown off that goddamn platform, you have to remember that you're just a guest here on someone else's platform. This is a private run organization, so you don't really have any recourse to fight back people. I see people saying that they're gonna take these people to court, you know, take legal action against them. Class actions against them. What? Yeah. It's their business. You don't, they don't have to be told what to do. You're just a guest here.
You know, I'm just a guest here. So if they decided that they're, you know, we don't like you, we don't like what you do, we just you off. And that goes for Instagram, Twitter, the whole lot of 'em, they're all private
Speaker 1 (22m 2s): Organizations,
Speaker 2 (22m 3s): Right?
Speaker 1 (22m 4s): Sure, yeah. Absolutely. And you know, Facebook threw me off for the last time and I didn't violate any terms and conditions, but their AI thinks I did. So I'm out. And I just finally said, you know what, it's just not worth it. I mean, there is B2B value and that's what I deal in. Yeah. But to be honest with you, I just got tired of the, the dance and that's okay. There are other fish to fry.
So it's all good. It's all good. I Twitter more, I got thrown off LinkedIn and I, I went back on there. Unfortunately I lost my 5,000 contacts or so and I'm slowly rebuilding it, but Oh well it is what it is, right? Yeah. Well it's not a hell of a lot you can do about it.
Speaker 2 (22m 52s): Yeah. Bruce, so this is the thing about that I think that we should stop being slaves to social media. And again, these are things that we can learn from the past. What did we do before Twitter? What did we do before social media? Yeah. How did, I mean, back in the early days when I was, when I was a successful private distributor of illegal movies, I had a mailing list. And what I did, I traded those mailing lists with other people who had mailing lists. And before long Sure those mailing lists became bargain by by by being paid for.
So people would pay for mailing lists. Sure. I mean, you'd paid for, I mean, a hundred, a hundred squared for 5,000 names. Cause that's worth money to you. So Yeah. Back in the old days before social media, I remember, yeah. That's how people worked. So we can look to the past again. I know that's, that's another perfect example of looking to the past to, to deal with problems in the present.
Speaker 1 (23m 45s): That's true. Yep. Email is still a thing. Yeah. Some people don't believe that, but it works extremely well for me. Yeah. Do you think the adult business needs to take accountability for things that's criticized for like supposed unrealistic depictions of sex and relationships?
Speaker 2 (24m 7s): Well, I'm gonna say yes and a no to that. The yes. Part of it would be, I would think if you are making something particularly risky, because it's all fantasy. So, I mean, my argument to the no would be because it's fantasy. We don't have to hold ourselves accountable. You are, you are over the age of 18 when you watch this. So you should have a, you should have a good mindset to know what right and wrong is. Right. But the s side of that is
Speaker 1 (24m 31s): You should,
Speaker 2 (24m 32s): Yeah. Yeah. I would say so. I would say that, you know, to put a disclaimer, follow the mainstream rule. You know, when in doubt just put a disclaimer in it and just say, look, these are performers or whatever in a, in a fantasy situation, do not copy this at home. Right. These are performed by professionals.
Speaker 1 (24m 53s): Don't not try this at home. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (24m 57s): That's, that's it. Yeah. So, I mean, don't forget, we, we, in the adult industry, we do weird acrobatic positions. We're over the top. It's over the top theatrics. It's like, one of the things I argue about defense of extreme porn is that when I hear that girl's been abused and look at her crying and her makeup is running, that she's been slapped up. What they don't understand is I know some of those girls who get slapped up and they love it. And I simply, it's cause they enjoy what they Interesting. Interesting. Yeah.
I I say, look, if anybody has got a problem with what they do, they could just immediately stop. Yeah. But these arguments Yeah, exactly. Hear these. But also, the other thing I'll say is that a lot of the girls should do their research before agreeing to doing jobs. I don't know if that personally, I think a lot of them do. But you know, I'm just saying for the cheap seats, because I do think a lot of people do know that if they're gonna be working for a certain producer who's known for pushing the envelope with their performances, that they would know that beforehand.
Yeah. You know, and if exactly. And if you want, if you, if you don't want to do words hard like that and you just want to do straightforward vanilla, there's plenty of producers out there who do straightforward vanilla. There's, I mean, I don't agree with a lot of things, but at the same time I would say that I think it's unprofessional for when the industry has to call out another person for their practices. They should know if they're gonna be doing extreme porn, they should know the rules and limitations of what they do.
Speaker 1 (26m 30s): That's true. No, that's very true. So what do you think about so-called porn addiction being a national emergency in both your home country and in mine? Do you feel a sense of responsibility for those who are supposed victims of it?
Speaker 2 (26m 47s): Well, for what, I don't believe in porn addiction at all. I mean, I've, I've been jerk for 30 years. I ain't got no problem. Seriously. Seriously. I don't agree. I thought it was, I don't agree with porn addiction. I, I mean I I've never seen anybody frothing at the mouth needing to masturbate over pornography ever. Yeah. I think you have to ask yourself this. I think porn, you could learn a lot about yourself watching porn.
If you really need porn Right. That much. Yeah. And it's, and it's affecting your daily life. Well, the porn's doing all right. It's just the, the problem is just the end user. So I would say to you, true, you need to find, be honest with yourself and say, if you have a problem, it's not the porn, it's you. Yeah. What, what, what is it that porn provides that you, you're not getting? I mean, do you need a girlfriend? Right. Some people, there's, there's a whole new group of people coming up called porn or sexuals who actually dedicate their lives to masturbating.
That's what they wanna do. And if that's what they wanna do, then let them be. Yeah. I mean, I did do, I did do a podcast. Well you, well
Speaker 1 (27m 59s): You've also, you've also heard about, you've heard about incel, right?
Speaker 2 (28m 4s): Yes, I have. Yeah. They're, these, these guys are angry at women because, you know, right. Yeah. They're angry at women for a variety of women. Yeah. So they're, they're like the next level misogynist, aren't they really? They just hate women a lot.
Speaker 1 (28m 17s): Mainly cause they're not getting laid.
Speaker 2 (28m 19s): Have you seen the statements? They don't deserve to get laid if they had a shower or a shave, you know, and had a bit of personality. Exactly. You know, it doesn't take much sex. Women like sex as much as men. So, you know, and just don't, when when I, when I hear a guy who hates women and, and I think, well dude, you know, fix up a little bit. You know, you don't look too bad. You just look like you need a good wash. I mean, come on girls, girls are into nice smells and you know, and decent looking guys.
You don't, you don't have to have a six pack to be with a nice
Speaker 1 (28m 54s): Girl. True. And by the way, you know, you mentioned the, the fault is not the porn, it's the person. I think the same thing goes for drugs. It's not the crack's fault, it's your fault that you get addicted from it.
Speaker 2 (29m 9s): Exactly. Crack is doing what crack does. You know, it, it's just being crack. You know, it's the end user. That's
Speaker 1 (29m 15s): Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29m 16s): And it's the end user that's responsible. The other thing as well, lots of bringing the whole sex and violence thing. You know, does porn, is porn responsible for men being violent? No, it isn't. Cause when, when they use that excuse away, the blame, they're taking away the accountability from the rapist. Right. So they're saying, oh, oh, oh, that that rapist, he was, he was a slave to the porn. This is why he did what he did. No, he's a rapist. You know, it's nothing to do with porn.
Speaker 1 (29m 41s): Actually, actually porn and prostitution probably prevent more rapes than they They cause by, by a wide margin.
Speaker 2 (29m 52s): Exactly. I mean this, this, I mean there's a porn producer, term comedian, he actually uses this line in his movie, in his, in his standup routine. And he said that porn doesn't cause people to rape. Because he said that after you've had a good wink, you, you don't wanna do anything else. That's true, isn't it? Yeah. After you've you
Speaker 1 (30m 15s): The energy. I was just thinking that Yes. Yeah. Yes, exactly. You're not gonna rape, you're not gonna rape anyone after jerking off. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30m 25s): No offense. But it might be in any your mind before. But if you watch the porn movie, I can't be bombed now. I've calmed down now I'm alright.
Speaker 1 (30m 34s): So there seems to be some abuse going on in the business, obviously. Yeah. With performers alluded to it a little bit in the last question and right after you, I'm gonna be speaking with Leanne Young, allegedly one of Ron Jeremy's victims. What are your thoughts on how to deal with this?
Speaker 2 (30m 54s): Well, having dealt with it organically as a chairman, now this isn't the popular opinion, but this is my opinion from observation. I would always say, if this is really serious, go and file an official report with the police. And I've heard normally hear that the police can't do anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. The police can't do nothing. That's great. But I said, you go and file that official report because right there and then once it's official, I will have to act on that.
My decisions will be based on the fact that you filed a report until you do that. That she said stuff. Because what's gonna happen is, you said this to me, I've got to hear the other guy's side of, and you say No, it didn't turn out like that at all. Now I have been involved with something right between two friends. One is a female, one was a male. And I, the girl told me that person was quite rough with her. And I, you know what that guy's, a friend of mine, I'm gonna have a word with him. I had a word with him and he said, well that's not what she said in the day.
I thought everything was fine. And I thought, okay. So when I told her that, he said that she had a go at me and blocked me on social media, I thought never again don't get involved. I said, in future we're gonna do this by the book, you'll file an official report. Then I'll decide that. Okay, banned particular, well difficult.
He, she said stuff now. So when people say, oh yeah, that that particular person has abused me, why are they at this event? Why are they being chosen for this? Why are they, why are they a member of this? I said, cause it's all until it's actual put into an official report, then it's official.
Speaker 1 (32m 45s): Yeah. Yeah. You make a good point. So Terry, what would you suggest performers do to protect themselves from potential abuse?
Speaker 2 (32m 54s): First and foremost, I would suggest that they do their homework on the person that they're going to work with by seeing their work and also by agreeing beforehand what their limitations are in terms of what they're willing to do performance wise also. But also on the other hand though, I know they're still swing the other way around for producers. And I've been educating producers for years that they should have one camera filmed wide off the whole proceedings.
Everything from the moment they turn up, you're in this room to the, to the end when they leave. I mean I, I used for my behind the scenes, it was never used for this particular sort of thing, but it was just used specifically. Cause I, I was always fascinated by the things that we talked about on the day. And I was used to look at myself talking to people. And also, I've never been footage but you know, case you have to happened on the day. And there was some misunderstanding between both parties.
You could refer back to that take and say, look, we didn't talk about, you could see on the tape that we didn't talk about that. So I would say that yeah, have a third camera, camera set up to record sound and in wide, wide covering all the action with the doors and everything, people coming in and out so that you, I've got that for a reference just in case. Keep it on file. You just never know when you might need it. And, and, and like I said, you know, you can use it for behind, it's
Speaker 1 (34m 25s): Like a, it's like a security camera for sure. Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (34m 28s): Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34m 29s): So what's your take on performers leaving the business and then requesting their content be taken down?
Speaker 2 (34m 37s): I've encountered that. It's annoying because it, it, I don't see the point in taking content down like 10 years later after it's already been on the internet and low and thousands of people have already downloaded it. And I said to people, look, you know, I always asked them first, where did they first see it? And if nine times outta 10 it's gonna be on some tube site somewhere. Some obscure tube site. Yeah, sure. Obviously bought it from my site. Yes. But I can't be held accountable for what people do with the footage after they have bought it.
I dunno, everybody who buys these things, I don't forget, I'm a shop window of selling content. I dunno who these people are that are buying it. Yeah. So they decide to exploit it in ways that they wanna, you know. So I would say to people, yeah, don't forget not only that read the model release because unlike a lot of people, I, it's about the terminology and the words I use. You know, I do own the content in perpetuity. Is that my discretion, whether I wanna take it down or not. You know, if it's not my fault, if you decide not to read the agreement that you signed and they asked me can I have a copy of it?
Yeah. I've still got a copy of it after all these years and their, their photo id sure. And they've agreed to it. There's nine times 10. They just sign it and just snatch the money and run. You know, what can I do?
Speaker 1 (35m 52s): Yeah, of course. Why do you think there's limited interest in supporting organizations that defend the business from banking discrimination and terms of use violations?
Speaker 2 (36m 7s): I think that's mainly down to a lot of people are just focused on the money at the moment. I think it's the case of making hay while the sun shines. Most people won't, are not interested enough in the business to know what the, what they're doing was once illegal. So they dunno the rules of having to do this properly. And some people don't even see it as a business. That's another thing. Sure. A lot of people coming into the business right now do not see it as a business. It's just a, a payday and an opportunity to get laid.
And I think that's the real problem. You've got about 90% of the industry is that way at the moment. The 10% who, I dunno, maybe I shouldn't have put a percentage in it. I dunno for a fact what, what the percentage is. But I'd say you get the picture though, that it's a small minority of people who are dedicated to this business as a business. So they're the ones that are gonna be investing interest in organizations that will protect their business.
Speaker 1 (37m 4s): Yep. If you don't, if you don't consider it a business, then you're not gonna treat it that way.
Speaker 2 (37m 9s): Exactly. And I think a lot of people, they're making a lot of money right now. And I think I was guilty of this once when I came into the business because I didn't know much about, I knew that what I was getting into was illegal and I did read, that's the thing. I did read up on a lot of it. Cause I knew if it was illegal, what, what would be my course of action? What, what would bury me quick? What would they go for me quick to, to get a secure quick conviction And I decided straight away pay my tax. Sure. Yeah. Because once I pay my tax, I know that I've got, I've got, I've got a bit of leverage I'll for the government, see look, I'll pay my taxes.
True form the day I was raided, it's
Speaker 1 (37m 48s): Always about money.
Speaker 2 (37m 49s): Yeah. Truth to form. The day I got raided, I had loads of cash lying around the house. You know, cause you know how it's ah, I'm king mate, everything I touched of gold, there's money everywhere. So the police will scoop it all up. Lovely. Put it all on the table, cat it all out. We found. Yeah, we found this amount of money blow up. Like I've got the money back in the end though. That's the thing. But they made it clear that they found all this money, they're counting it all out and they got me to sign off on it and they print a plastic bag and that it was all done properly. Nice. So yeah.
Speaker 1 (38m 19s): That's fantastic. We keep getting new banking regulations. What do you think we can expect next?
Speaker 2 (38m 26s): Right. There's been a lot silence. There's been silence for a long time now since they've brought the regulations in and the regulations meant that all the websites Yeah. That yeah. Yeah. It's been quiet for a while now. This is what I expect. I dunno if this is an actual fact, but this is what I'm gonna expect next. Cause it's been quiet. We, we used to know this as a grace period. So in other words I'll say you've got 12 months to get your paperwork in order all your paperwork, all your model releases, your IDs and get them ready for every single seat you've got on your site.
And you think, okay, yeah, everyone's thinking after all that you never heard nothing from the banks. So it's like, oh this is not the, this is not the time to get relaxed about it. This is the time to wonder when they're gonna start playing. Because what they're gonna do next I can see Yep. Is that they're gonna pick on sites and do a random audit and they're going to expect to lose people and make an example of those people they lose and they'll do it without impunity. They'll give you, don't get me wrong, they'll, they'll probably give you 14 days to get your house in order.
Oh you haven't got your paperwork but you've got 14 days to get that in order. If you don't get that in order, you're gone. We're gonna lose you as a MasterCard fees, I'm gonna lose you as a, as a customer. Yeah. There's no return. No. No matter what you do because you can't be trusted. You're not a valued customer. High risk. Yeah. And they'll just do that randomly and I think they'll, but like I said, they won't be ruthless about it. They'll give you a period to sort yourself out. Oh you didn't take us serious the first time. Okay we give you, get yourself sorted and if you don't let us lose you. And when they lose you they'll work, they'll weigh up the statistics.
Cause they have to be seen to be doing something.
Speaker 1 (40m 7s): Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it won't be their largest customer.
Speaker 2 (40m 11s): Yeah. I think they will pick, pick on the boutique sites. I think they'll pick on the smaller sites because they're expecting that's where the problem's gonna be. Cause the bigger sites, cause the
Speaker 1 (40m 21s): Big boy, the big boys have more, more to lose.
Speaker 2 (40m 24s): Not only that, the big boys, I mean I know one of the biggest names we could name it right now, have been more vigilant in their paperwork since day one. When I say they're vigilant in their paperwork, they're vigilant on their own paperwork for their own producers. It's a shame they just didn't use it for the user generated crowd. And what I predicted in 2007, it's actually come to come to fruition now. It's just weird. I I did bring this up ons possibly and people did say yeah, do you know what Yeah you're right.
I said Yeah, but you did say it was right at time was this article
Speaker 1 (41m 2s): You're of shit. Yeah. You're shit. So you're certainly in favor of having clean and clear 2 2 57 and all of that ready just in case.
Speaker 2 (41m 17s): Absolutely. Because otherwise, you know, you, I mean if you don't have these things, even back in, back before the the baral started, you could have been accused of revenge porn. It's the same thing. You're putting intimate content online without permission. It's the same
Speaker 1 (41m 35s): Thing. Well not only revenge porn and I, I wanna apologize to everybody cuz we've got a little time lapse here and I, I've never had that happen with this platform before, but I'm certainly gonna let 'em know about it. But yeah, I mean not only that, people can be also accused of kitty porn.
Speaker 2 (41m 57s): Yes. Yeah. There's, this is another thing if a girl looks particularly off that type, like, you know, she's a a shy teen wife, you know, she decides that she wants to get you back. She could say, well I was under Adrian, I did that video so you better take it down.
Speaker 1 (42m 13s): Exactly. So what problems can producers expect from the business these days?
Speaker 2 (42m 19s): Oh these days it's the only fans era. Now this is where the content creators run things. So yeah, the producers are gonna have all kinds of problems now. They're gonna have people not even wanting to work back in the old days, you know, people wanting to work and they, they would be ringing you up looking for work nowadays they just can't be bothered. I mean sometimes they can't even be bothered to work for themselves. That's how relaxed they're, they don't have, they don't have to leave the house or why should they bother? Look
Speaker 1 (42m 45s): If you're making that kind of money, what the hell? Right?
Speaker 2 (42m 49s): Yeah. That's the kind of problem you're gonna get. A lot of lack of professionalism and yeah, it's just going to create a bit of a problem for the more bespoke producer who, you know, who might have to get a model costume fit for that special fetish shoot or find themselves wasting money on productions because the model just doesn't even turn up on the day.
Speaker 1 (43m 9s): Gee, that's never happened before.
Speaker 2 (43m 11s): Oh yeah, we've always had no shows. But you know, the great thing about in Hollywood when they get no shows, they just sue the from, I mean you just look at big celebrities like Kim Baer when she did that, when she didn't turn up for the boxing Heller film, she got sued and guess what? She ended up broke bankrupt. But you can't do, we can't do that in the adult industry. Can we?
Speaker 1 (43m 31s): It's a damn shame. It's a, it's a damn shame because there are some that certainly have done things to warrant that. But I think everyone is just so casual about it cuz it's like they just figure a certain percentage aren't gonna show up. So they, you know, the producers roll with it.
Speaker 2 (43m 51s): Well, yeah, I I think that's, that's what it is now. You've just gotta roll with it or just find a community of people that you really like to work with. I mean, I think the future is there already with the way things are going now. I mean, some performers now have got the money to turn it around and hire the producer now to work for them. You know, like shooting Yes. And editing Yes. And taking pictures. But at the same time, I, I can see the industry's turning, turning around in terms of that.
And it's nice to see that there are some performers out there who are professional enough to realize that, hey, do you know what I'm gonna make the step from being a performer, not just a content creator, but you got content creators should see themselves as producers now, so they should, they should really learn the arts of producing adult content and distribution instead of just relying on a platform likens because they have to look at this wayns. Sure. Just like anything else is is part of a fast moving world and something could change in five years.
I mean we, we've seen already the the con controversial blips with only fans where they were threatening to go mainstream and they wanna take hardcore porn off their site and then within 48 hours they're like, oh, we made a mistake, reverse that because I suddenly realize that there's something else waiting,
Speaker 1 (45m 12s): There's
Speaker 2 (45m 12s): Another platform waiting for them.
Speaker 1 (45m 13s): Yeah. We were only, we were only kidding. So what's in the future for Terry Stevens naked truth guy, one or the other, or both?
Speaker 2 (45m 26s): Naked Truth guys doing all right on social media, still getting involved with disputes and issues and whatnot. I like to, I like to keep my, my awe in there somewhere just to keep my, my teeth sharpened if you like. But at the moment I'm, there you go. Putting together all my information from the past 30 years and thankfully I've written diaries as well for shoots that I can fall back on to help put my memoirs together. I've got so much information from memoir. I thinking about making Trilogy a three book.
Speaker 1 (45m 60s): Wow. A
Speaker 2 (46m 0s): Three book. Three well, a three book, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (46m 5s): Cool. Yeah. That's extremely cool.
Speaker 2 (46m 8s): So that, that's what I'm working on at the moment. But I've also got several features that I shot for in the past 10 years that I need to put together now. One of them was a documentary, a personal documentary about the industry, which covered a lot of topics that you don't really see in mainstream films and programs. And luckily Sure. These were people that really wanted to say what they really felt. Cause they did say to me, well, if you're agreeing to do this, Terry, can I say what I want? What I really feel about the industry?
And I said, absolutely. I said, this is a personal film. Cool, cool. I said I, I'd like to examine the, the, the complex act, the, the complex relationship that we have with pornography as well.
Speaker 1 (46m 50s): That's neat. Y Todd Spades from Yanks Cash has a memoir coming out too. That's gonna be really cool. I don't know if you know, if you know of Todd, but I I it's something that everyone in the, in the business will enjoy.
Speaker 2 (47m 5s): Well do, you know, I think most people in the business have an interesting story to tell and I think it's worth reading most of them because they're all coming from different angles. I mean, I know there's certain traits and similarities that we might have had. Like some people might have had a poor background. Yeah. We know the rags to richest stories and stuff, but what's important is why do they into porn and their relationship with the business and the, because I think one, one of the biggest things I've, I'm drawn to about, and it took me a while to observe this cause I think it's not about the money.
I was making money before into this business, but I think it, what's drawn to this industry, I realized what it was. It was just human psychology, the human aspect of it really in Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47m 49s): That's cool, man. That's really cool. Well, hey Terry, I'm, I'm looking forward to the book. I'm expecting an autograph copy. Yeah. I'd like to thank you for being our guest today, again on Adult Site Broker talk, and I hope we'll get a chance to do this again soon, maybe when the book comes out.
Speaker 2 (48m 8s): Yeah, that'd be a good thing. Yeah. Thanks for having me on board today.
Speaker 1 (48m 11s): Hey man, it's always fun. Thank you. My broker tip today is part five of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later. Last week we talked about new ways to monetize your site. Next, eliminate unneeded expenses constantly make sure you're not spending money. You don't need to make sure there isn't duplication in your staffing from time to time. Check services you pay for, like hosting and see if there are better and less expensive options. Take it from me.
I've done this and saved a bunch, plus I've gotten higher quality hosting in the process. Again, ask us for recommendations. Always look for ways to do things more cost effectively along with this. Make your profit and loss statements show more profit. Increasing sales and reducing expenses obviously does just that. Make sure your p and l statement accurately reflects your company's actual costs. Not a bunch of personal expenses you've put in. This will cost you money when you sell.
It may help you with the tax man to put that stuff on your tax return, but it hurts you if you show that stuff on your profit and loss statement. Remember, every dollar in profit increases the value of your website as much as three to four times. This is why you need a good experience broker to help lead you through the process. We've gotten people thousands of dollars more on their sale just by adjusting the p and l statement to reflect actual business expenses as opposed to a bunch of bs.
We'll talk about this subject more next week and next week we'll be speaking with Aerie Saunders. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest, Terry Stephens. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.
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