Adult Site Broker Talk Episode 267 with Andy Wullmer of CreatorTraffic

This is Bruce Friedman of Adult Site Broker and welcome to Adult Site Broker Talk where each week we interview one of the movers and shakers of the adult industry and we give you a tip on buying and selling websites. This week we’ll be speaking with Andy Wullmer, the traffic captain of Creator Traffic and Traffic Partner. I’d like to invite you to check out one of our projects that we’re very proud of, the WarOnPorn.com. You’ll find articles on age verification laws and more on the industry’s plight in the War On Porn and the numerous attacks on us. Go to thewaronporn.com and check it out. Adult Site Broker has launched a new website at adultsidebroker.com. The attractive new site is easier to navigate and now includes this podcast inside of it. Check it out at adultsidebroker.com. Finally just a reminder, we’re always looking for buyers and sellers of adult sites. Perhaps you’ve been thinking about either selling your site or buying one. Please feel free to contact me at adultsidebroker.com with any questions you may have. Now time for our property of the week that’s for sale at adultsidebroker. We’re proud to offer a premium fan platform comparable to only fans in features and functionality. They offer creators advantages over only fans such as collab posts and a lifetime referral program. They also allow management companies to create an agency account to receive their management fees directly from the platform. Plus the site’s look, feel and functionality are far superior to only fans. This is a growing platform with a massive upside. Most of the traffic is in the US and other tier one countries. There are currently 463 creators with more being added daily. There are over 43,000 users on the site with over 2,000 new users per month. Only $1.5 million. Now time for this week’s interview. My guest today on adultsidebroker talk is Andy Womer aka the traffic captain of Traffic Partner and Creator Traffic. Andy thanks for being back with us on adultsidebroker talk. Thank you Bruce. It’s always good to talk with you and live on all the shows and here on your podcast. Check it out now. Great to have you. Let’s tell everyone about you. Andy has been in the adult industry for over 25 years. He’s the CEO of Mobile for Traffic Partner with multiple brands. Lately Andy’s main duty is to run Creator Traffic which provides high quality traffic to only fans models. CreatorTraffic.com is a search engine for mainstream and adult content creators and their fans. Fans and subscribers use their search engine to discover more creators helping them build their fan base and income quickly and easily. Traffic Partner has been in business since 1997 and offers direct advertisers, casual and mainstream dating products and apps. That means Mike is even older. So Andy great to have you back. Creator Traffic has been around for over 3 years now. Maybe you can catch us up on how things are going. The point is we bought the site’s fans matrix and Hoopite and of course we wanted to have the traffic and then we saw the chance that this traffic converts way better on only fans than to send this traffic only to our dating sites. And of course everybody saw the success of OnlyFans and we didn’t want to make only a copy of the site and as our company name is Traffic Partner and I’m the traffic captain. So we said okay why not bring this traffic to the people who can monetize it the best. And we have OnlyFans traffic of course it’s models and agencies so we decided to make Creator Traffic and bring this traffic in. That was all the beginning. I wanted to make it as professional and most easy for the models and for the agencies. We structured the whole platform like self-service very easy you upload your picture you put your link so you can put your daily budget you can put some keywords but nothing super fancy it’s not science rocket you know because we know that we have a lot of models and they are not professional media buyers but they want promotion. And in the first year we concentrated of course in getting more models and more agencies to the platform and as our platform is a real time bidding platform we saw that we had a higher demand on traffic than we could get from our websites. So in the second year we made the decision to also allow affiliates coming in so make it a real network where you have publishers and advertisers. And that was a big step because of course affiliates need to match our quality standards and how to test out if the traffic is converting well. So we have one bigger agencies they give us all the statistics and so when a new affiliate sent us traffic we sent this traffic to specific models and we calculate the conversion rate from clicks to free sign up and also how many people later buy. And only if your website got this criteria then we allow you as an affiliate to send us traffic. So that was in the second year and then we had the next problem we found very few sites that have the same quality than fans matrix and who buy as we had a minimum CPC price and this time around 50 cents you need to deliver high quality. If not the agencies will not buy in it because they don’t make profit. We didn’t grow in the second year too much. I would say we grow in traffic by perhaps 20 30 percent which is not a lot for me. So for other companies would be happy if they grow but not for me. And we were looking always for sites with high quality traffic and it was very difficult. Then last year in November a lot of the sites on top and also our own sites got penalized by Google. So we lost positions in the Google Zerbs and we lost traffic. Something new. Well it was I think in my career of 25 years was the fourth time that Google was disturbing my business. Screwed you. Yeah basically. Screwed you. Yeah. And the point is especially our website fans matrix is the best search engine for only fans models in the market. There’s so many data so many models we have all the information about models we can it was really disturbing for our business but only for us also for a lot of affiliates. And the same time our model searcher.com site was going up because this is a little bit like Instagram for models. So the models post daily fresh content. So we saw that these kind of sites go up but model searcher was not so concentrated only on only fans because we were also open to other fans sites like fan blast or loyal fans Lashie and that was the decision now in January we said OK if we cannot find only only fans related traffic and we want to keep the quality for the price high. So we made the decision to change our system from a minimum price of 50 cents to a maximum price of 50 cents which have the result that we say OK traffic like fans matrix model searcher we can sell for 50 cents other traffic from other sites we sell for 40 cents other traffic for 30 cents 20 cents 10 cents 5 cents. And so we get an average sale price I think right now it’s about 30 cents 31 cents. But on this way we are open to more affiliates which have sites which could which is good traffic perhaps it’s not so only fans related but it converts. But after our testing process for example we do still the same you are new and affiliate we send all your traffic on special models then we have the first key number we always look is the CPL so many how many clicks we need to get a free sub and then we could look how many free subs pay something. And with this change we got a lot of new sources of traffic which makes us even bigger than before the Google Google penalization of only fans sites. That’s good. And of course now it’s more that we need more buyers again because we have more traffic it’s always you know the old game between traffic sources traffic buyer traffic sources traffic buyer. So right now if you’re out there and you need traffic come to create a traffic dot com and if you if you use the adult broker podcast keyword I give you 20 percent. Okay. Talk a bit about the overall state of the only fans traffic scene. There’s one other site that was also penalized only finder they offer some similar services like us but they they got hit very hard because they were the biggest only fans search site and they got completely penalized by Google. I’m not doing knowing how good they do right now. And beside this there’s a lot of other sites they they offer traffic but mostly the quality you get a lot of subscribers but they are then from countries they never pay like Indonesia Pakistan India. So and there’s a lot of other people they tell you okay we get you traffic through Reddit. One point is to spend directly on the traffic like I prefer it’s a transparent process. If you go to get traffic through Reddit for example or hacking into dating sites like Bumble or Tinder you need to pay somebody so you spend money on the working working time of somebody and you don’t know how how are the results and it’s way more difficult to track all this. The other site that agencies always did even before we came to the market is social media if you know how to run the Instagram game or if you have a model that is already already famous and have 100,000 or millions of followers of course you can make money with this social media accounts but there you need to be very careful about the content and also you cannot link directly to only fans so you need to use a site like you need to like get my link or other sites or to bring the traffic first on the other site. So there is different traffic sources but my one is very calculator baby you pay CPC and you get fans. The other one is always gambling with social media or you need to hire people and of course if you go into dating apps and make fake dating this is very grey market I don’t support this and for example in our own dating sites that we have with traffic partner we have quality managers and kicking these accounts very fast out. So if you are in the agency with models with high social media if you use it carefully you can use this as a very good traffic source. I hear from a lot of agencies that TikTok is very difficult right now as soon they see some videos only fans related they kick your accounts out very fast and on X formally Twitter they don’t kick you out but they do what they call shadow banning and I have models they have like half million followers on Twitter and they do a nice post and they get only 50 likes then you know you know you will get shadow banning. Exactly it’s part of being in this business unfortunately. Yeah and that’s strange to me because you know on X you can post all these political and racism kind of content and nobody shadow bans you. You can post porn. You can post hardcore porn if you want. Yeah but then you get the shadow banning. I mean they treat adult more strict than all the other politics stuff they do that’s very strange. If they say freedom of speech also titties have the freedom of speech. Damn right free the nipple that’s what I always say. I wasn’t the first to say that but I like it in that context. Since you guys first started only fans traffic acquisition has gotten more and more competitive as we just talked about and pricey. So how do you guys deal with the expense of the campaigns. I guess you guys really kind of have something for everybody right. Well the point is like our traffic like I said before we tried to value by our test results with the affiliates we make a clear 50/50 split. So if the affiliates delivers traffic and I sell his traffic for 20 cents he get done. If I can sell his traffic for 40 cents he get 20 cents on the other sides for the agencies and the models it’s very difficult because I can only make sure that I deliver a traffic with a certain quality. So everybody have mostly the same CPL. So let’s say our CPL is between two fifty and three dollar for a free sub but then it’s in the hand of the agencies. How good are your chatters. That’s the first good. Some people still use cheaper Philippine chatting agents and of course if you have a whale let’s I have always this example. We had a model she is from New York. She’s a black model and she talks these New York black sex length and if a fan subscribed to her and is willing to pay hundreds of dollars for content and then you put a Filipino chatting with him. Poor Indian or whatever again. Oh well yeah we’re Indian or whatever or even German or whatever. If he’s not from New York and have this sex slang that people talk in New York in the year 2025 then he will realize very fast that’s not her. And then because in the only fence business it becomes also more and more like the game to look for whales like it was in casinos like it was or is in the Cam industry. So make sure when you have your whales put good chatters and then of course if an agency buy traffic from us and they are smart with their chat us they bring their campaigns profitable and others they say oh your traffic is not good I don’t make it profitable and I said oh sorry I provide you the same traffic like I do for other hundreds of agencies they are happy with the traffic. If you’re not happy with the traffic perhaps you need to work on your product. Maybe it’s something you’re doing. Yeah exactly. Yeah it’s like any lead generation situation. Somebody can provide the leads all day but you have to sell them and chatting is the way that customers are sold in this business. Exactly. And then it’s also about every model is different. Of course when you have a model which is more in a niche scene cosplay or other niches then the chance that you get these kind of whale customers is way higher than when you have this standard blonde big boobs model that there’s thousands of them. So like in every adult industry the more or the bigger the market gets the more you need to go in niches to find the customers who are willing to pay a lot because they don’t get it somewhere else. We saw this very dramatically in the pay sites and we see this also in the live cam business and we see this now in only fans business and it’s not only only fans also some some agencies they buy the traffic first to bring them to only fans or even they have a pre lender site where the customer can decide if he wants to go to only fans to the live cam to fan blasts to loyal fans to MIM or four based or whatever other sites out there. And because as an agency once you have the content why you should only sell it on one platform and also when it comes to countries for example only fans only have credit card as payment middle. That means that in Europe 50% of the people don’t have a credit card and especially for example in France MIM.com is a very popular French solution in Germany for example fan blast and four based are very popular and in Europe you have loyal loyal fans so there’s other local payment methods which makes this way more interesting. So if you buy if you buy traffic from us and you have only only fans but you get traffic from Europe perhaps 50% of this traffic you cannot convert because there’s not the right payment level. Sure. You know as big as only fans is they leave so much money on the table it just it astounds me I’ve seen them the types of dollars that they do every year but it just amazes me how much better they could be you know just how much better it could be and payments is a big one because that’s probably a 30 year customer so that you’re just kicking right out the door. How can creators determine if they’re buying quality traffic instead of junk? Right the point is normally in every media buying you know with traffic partner we buy a lot traffic for our dating sites and tracking tracking tracking tracking is the king so only fans offer only a very basic tracking tool so in the end it’s like only fans slash model name slash C1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and I’m not even sure if this is really counting correctly how much time they use after I there’s no transparency in it. Most of the agencies that I know they use tracking software or CRM systems like in flow is a good one and super creator, Monster, I so there’s many of these tools in the market and there you can go way deeper in the tracking tools and also what you need to see that’s funny when I have unexperienced models or media buyer coming to create a traffic they buy traffic let’s say they put the hundred dollar and next day or two days later they say hey I lost money with your system. Geez, one or two days. Exactly because they need to learn you know first you send somebody to a free site because the big difference in making traffic from social media against buying traffic is on social media let’s say Instagram the customer follow you some Instagram he saw already a hundred 200 pictures he saw real stories he is already hooked so when he finally come through the link tree side to your toy only fans he is willing to spend the 999 subscription or whatever in our case the guy comes from Google this he wants to discover models perhaps he put the preference see like only fans big tits small tits black white Asian whatever then he comes to our side he see a lot of models then he see your ad one picture so he clicks on that picture come to your only fans and of course we recommend to do a free one because he saw only one picture why he should spend directly 999 on a subscription if you only saw one picture so you bring them into the free sites and then you need with your chatting team or you as a creator chatting yourself you need to convert this guy to a VIP client who pays and then selling content so you need to see the lifetime value of a customer if you spend $100 today you should make your money back perhaps in one or two months not in one or two days if you see traffic that like an traffic partner was dating or I know this also from life camps you need up to six months to make your money back you know so this is something I’m teaching a lot of models or new agencies there because they come from the content creating they’re not professionals in media buying and we do for example every Wednesday we do live webinars where we do a lot of teaching you know and education and that’s also when I do my only fans or my fansite meetups on the internet in Cyprus on the Venus show in Berlin I do this to bring speakers together to teach people why I need a tracking system why I need a chatting control system how to learn to make the right content how to deal with tax or how to make content that customers want how to go in the niche market how to buy traffic all these topics because I was surprised when I started three years ago most of the agency owners and the age between 20 and 28 so they don’t have a huge background in online marketing and all this stuff most of them came to the business by luck or because they had a big meme site on Instagram and models asking them for shout outs or they had a hot girlfriend and she started only friends and they took over the management and on the other side I’m surprised how good some of these agencies they they are like 22 25 and how business wise where they are doing so because you know I’m in my 50s and I see you see guy 30 years younger me than me making millions not only because of luck because perhaps he came into the business by luck or by accident but then they they turn it into a professional business because imagine some of them they manage like 50 models they manage 300 Chattas and they handle hundreds of social media accounts if you’re not professional and structured and focused on your business you would never scale that business up so big shout out to some of these agencies I’ll tell you what some of the smartest people I’ve ever met in business are owners of only fans agencies I’ve got some some really close contacts and some of them well we have the same contacts so you know who I’m talking about and they they for the most part like to like to stay low key so I won’t mention their names but these are brilliant people and they came from mainstream they’re in their 20s 30 some 40s and their college graduates a lot of them have business degrees and none of them come from adult none of them come from adult they all come from mainstream and I got to tell you how impressed I am so I agree with you you know 1000% and I brokered a number of only fans agencies so it’s a business that I’m intimately familiar with and one of the reasons is knowing you so there you go so you’ve been in the adult industry for a long time now so in that time the industry has experienced many challenges how do you rank those compared to what’s going on now with the whole age verification laws I was never too big in the US market so I’m not really concerned with all these different state laws like Florida Texas or Utah I’m not really the expert to talk about age verification you know I’m the marketing branding and sales guy we have a legal department taking care about this but of course I understand that there have to be some kind of regulation but I said this in another podcast once imagine I’m the father and I go into the forest with my young children and I know there are wolves so it’s my responsibility as a father to protect my children so how you can leave your children with the unregulated or censored computer and let them do whatever they want I by myself have children and they’re grown up already but when they were younger there was no free computer or mobile phone which I not had a censorship or code and all controlling their browsers the first responsibility in my my opinion is by the parents so true but when the government wants to do something against it for example in Germany you cannot have any dot de domain with adult content so of course if you have it only in one country and then with the possibility of VPNs if a 1415 years old boy or girl want to see some stuff they know how to do it they are smarter than us and using I was gonna say that yes they are so it’s not about that the government can do really a full control and it’s only disturbing the business in one country or in one state and then it move in another place the EU now yeah yeah but you see for example the Netherlands were always one of the most liberal countries and this and also Austria is very liberal Spain is very liberal well Germany is liberal in many laws but not online never if you want to start an adult business never buy a dot de domain that’s a good that’s a good point that’s a really good point but yeah I mean the EU there’s been a lot of news lately about the EU age verification France’s age verification Spain and Germany already has it I think UK UK is talking for this like six years like you know our friend Steve was thinking about him and he kept to get going to show so no no it’s gonna happen it’s gonna happen yeah well they’re still work they’re still finalizing that bill which which just amazes me but that that’s kind of that’s kind of the UK in a nutshell we won’t go there only fans and other platforms continue to grow like crazy so where do you see it going in the future in the moment I’m not so sure if only fans is growing so much first if I see the agencies tell me that they make way less money per user so the lifetime value of users is going down the girlfriend experience that was very important especially in the covid when only fans become big is going down also because people can go out again there’s a lot of parties you can go in restaurants nightclubs you have other ways to have the girlfriend experience then like you mentioned before only fans is not updating any of their functions their payment methods so it’s like I can understand it you know if you make so much money you say never change a running system okay then also you see a lot of new sites coming out taking as parts of the market away if you see fanfix fan blast passes loyal fans slushy is my girl for based loyal fans lover fans dark fans so there’s many many many other companies taking it away and also the new generation of models if you see these kind of influencer models they don’t want to go to only fans only fans have already these porn tech I would say so if you see 18 19 20 or 21 young influencer girl that she perhaps liked the sexy stuff but not really the porn stuff she would not go to only fans because her family her friends they always would say are you doing porn now that’s we see for example especially with fan blast that there’s a lot of models they don’t do nudity they only do I would say Instagram sexy plus or something like this bikini that kind of thing bikini exactly and then private messages in the bikini say hey Andy I love you so much happy birthday blah blah blah and this trend you see also in the US a lot so I think the new generation of sexy influencer model it goes more into a life sexy lifestyle I would say away from only fans porn to the sexy lifestyle and there are already other platforms they are playing with it and they get more and more attention and sometimes I saw the news I don’t know if it’s true that they want to sell only fans but if I would be the owner I would sell it now because it’s on the top I think there’s no way more up the time to sell yeah if you’re on top sell it oh you know when you feel like you’ve maxed something out you’re crazy not to sell it exactly yeah that’s always been my philosophy this is not a financial advice it’s only my own opinion well absolutely but when I advise clients you know I mean it’s obviously up to them but I tell them look watch your graph and when your graph’s going up and isn’t going quite as high in a sharp direction as it was before seriously consider putting it on the market yeah if you tell me this then I need to be more careful if I buy something from you again you know you only get the truth my friend you only get and that’s how I am with my buyers too I tell my buyers you know the the real truth not what they want to hear because the last thing you want to do is is have buyers remorse and you don’t want to have sellers remorse so I like people to like me no no but it’s it’s good because you know you you see both sides and for every company there’s a fair price a price the owner can live with anti buyer can live with and this is why why the adult broker is a middleman for that that’s adults it’s Adult Site Broker but I’ll get you saying it right we used to have somebody in the yeah lorry in the adult space who had adult it was adult broker yeah it was adult broker.com I miss her and so a lot of people shorten it which is which is a compliment because she’s she’s a lovely she’s a lovely gal and do it side broker.com check it out now with Bruce you always get the good deeds. All right I’m gonna record that and use it so what what’s the biggest advantage for a creator to go with creator traffic let’s say you’re giving your 60 second elevator pitch which I know you have one you can make it a two minute if you want but you know tell tell me what what you would tell tell somebody either a creator or an agency that was talking to you. Imagine first step you are a new model you don’t have a lot of followers on social media you make very good content you make your only fans and you’re sitting there and making no money because you don’t have customers so the same money you invest in creating your content your time is money everything you need to have a certain budget for marketing with creator traffic you can buy customers as easy from hundred dollar starting if you don’t invest in your marketing you will never grow and it will take you forever to grow up your social media. For an agency imagine you have a new model she have no social media of course you have experience to bring her up but this will need like six months if you an agency promised your model a we will be your manager we bring you up and you make a lot of money with us you need a kick booster and creator traffic is the kick booster you put marketing budget in and you start it now in five minutes you have your first customers coming in so you have enough work for your Chattas and you prove the model that you an agency that knows what you do because this is what we do we boost models in seconds to get fans and this social media you need time and a lot especially if you’re a new agency new models you don’t have time you need results now. I’m sold. I’ve heard you talk many times about it Andy and and and you’re you’re real and I think that’s why you have so many clients is because you’re you you’re real and you know you back up what you say which is great. What’s coming up the rest of the year for creator traffic? Well mostly right now it’s growing and traffic that you know it’s always once the system is working so I need affiliates and I need more agencies for buying that’s both sides to be happy the technology change we made in February from the minimum to the max was the perfect decision it’s open a wider range wider range for affiliates and it brings more traffic because there were times where our agencies were fighting for the traffic and if I have not enough traffic that means the price goes up and I try always to have exactly the right amount of traffic for the right amount of buyers so both sides I’m working on then I’m very happy the Venos show in Berlin in September they invited me again they gave me the complete B2B hall we have two days a fansite meetup so I call it fansite meetup because I also want to invite all the alternative fansites like fanblast, forbays, loyal fans and so on not only only fans we have a big only fans or models seen in Germany and in Europe I hope also some Americans come over but even if I get only the Europeans once and then you have the nice combination the Venos shows we have the B2B hall where we are under us the business people and then you open one door and you are in the huge B2C hall where’s more than 25,000 customers coming to see their stars so I know a lot of models come there and one day they sign the autographs and make pictures with their fans and then they come also to our seminars listening about how to get better at marketing and traffic and all these other it’s a perfect combination and this year it’s in September what I prefer because October Berlin is already a little bit cold from the weather so I hope we will have a sunny lovely September golden party in Berlin with all the fans and models yeah we talked about Walter and I talked about that when we did the interview for Venus they’re calling it Venus Festival now they’ve changed the name so we’ll call it what the new name Venus Festival as opposed to the old name Venus Berlin and we were discussing your part in that so yeah he said we’ve got a you know got a fansite meet up and I went let me guess and and he went of course so there you go we can’t have an interview without discussing your passion diving now I understand you found a new spot so tell us a little bit about it well you know I do scuba diving since 96 even longer than I’m in the Dordelusry and I made all my license from open water to advanced diver rescue diver master diver cave diver deep diver wreck diver nitro action I have all the license so now wait you forgot muff diver well the most important for me right now is to find new places unfortunately if you’re a scuba diver for so many years like me if you come back to places you’re really sad if you see how many how many currents get destroyed the sea life is going less and less so there was always a place called Rasha Ampat which is between Indonesia and Papua Gwinea it took me from Bangkok I took a four hours flight to Bali I took another four hours flight to Papua and then I went on the boat for two hours to come to a little island it’s called also the area called the coral triangle because it’s between the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean and it was amazing from the corals it’s very untouched there’s very few hotels I was on a little island the Y resort the Y diver resort there were only eight bamboo houses on the beach and it was all you can dive hotels so in the morning we came up we grabbed our bottles we went with the locals on the little boats and then we went in so many different dive spots they have more than 50 different dive spots where you can go and I was diving very close with huge mantas I mean like the four meters five meters big ones I saw bamboo sharks I saw carpet sharks very rare sharks you don’t see in other places and the corals were totally intact even we saw on one dive we saw a manatee which is super rare to see in the in the oceans yeah so that was super amazing and I went I stayed there like three weeks and it was only about scuba everybody on the island was protecting nature scuba diving and yeah very great experience was that when you were out here in December exactly that was directly after the AWB show I went down there yeah I figured this much I know you were going to go on a dive trip but you didn’t tell me where so so what new spots are you planning on trying coming up in the future this year because I always use the December because you know the show and the show is always in the beginning of December and about 15 of December 30 of December it’s the lowest season and business everybody’s about Christmas holidays New York holidays and so on so I hear and and my business in the Europe oh right of course of course yeah so I use I use always this time to go on a long diving vacation somewhere in Asia I went to Palau Vietnam Thailand Indonesia this year again I go to the Philippines I mostly I want to go to the island of Palawan and there the scuba diving is about shipwrecks there’s a lot of shipwrecks from the second world war and they’re not too and they’re not too deep like 30 40 meters so for me as a pro I can easily reach them also the water is nice there there’s still a lot of fish and shipwrecks become a biosphere like a coral reef and it’s fantastic to see how human trash become a new habit for for nature it’s that’s cheese yeah we gotta stop doing that we gotta stop polluting our oceans that’s for damn sure well maybe someday huh well Andy I’d like to thank you for being back again on Adult Site Broker Talk and I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon perfectly thank you and check out creator traffic dot com check out my youtube channel the traffic captain there you can see all my adventures scuba diving and on the shows so thank you Bruce and do it site broker dot com our choice when we buy companies thank you very much thank you my broker tip today is part seven of how to buy a site last week we talked about the agreement and escrow so now you own the website what do you do now the first thing you should do is make sure you understand everything about the operation of the site the previous owner will hopefully be available for a period of time to help you with this as I mentioned last week you should establish what the former owners participation will be after the sale you’ll need to deal with production of new content processing paying affiliates and many other things if you don’t have experience in these areas you may want to consider using our general consulting firm adult business consulting you can get more information on what this company does at adultbusinessconsulting.com we help website owners project manage and guide them to the right vendors maybe the previous owner had all the right elements processing hosting payments production scripts etc or maybe they didn’t we can help evaluate that for you let us know if we can help anyway you’ll now be operating the website if you don’t have someone like our general consulting firm to help evaluate all of those items and everything the site is spending money on and using to operate the site make sure you’re getting a good deal and that these companies are providing the right service and check to see if you can do better hosting is a great example on something where people are often both overpaying and not getting the right service many times the server is just too slow if you have any questions about any of this feel free to reach out to us on our site next week we’ll talk about how to sell a website and next week we’ll be speaking with performer reagan fox and that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker talk i’d once again like to thank my guests the traffic captain Andy Wullmer of creator traffic and traffic partner talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker talk i’m Bruce Friedman [BLANK_AUDIO]