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Starting last year, he launched Urgasm Magazine which brings the adult content creator and online gaming industries together. He also works as a European brand ambassador for our friends at Mojo Host. That’s all you do really? Wow. You must have a lot of time on your hands Roland. Yeah, thanks to my wife. She takes over a lot of these things. So I don’t do it alone, especially all the SEO stuff. It’s more Tania’s business than mine. Fabulous. So Roland, when did you get your start in the adult industry? What did you do before that besides what I’ve discovered? Yeah, so most of it you said already. So I worked for five years after studying graphic design in Hamburg in the media park in Hamburg and I did a lot of catalogs and print magazine work there. That was my favorite and I really loved it. And one of our biggest clients was MMV, Multimedia for LARC and we created their covers for their porn DVDs and VHS cassettes. And one day the owner of the company came to me and asked me to work full time for him. This is when I switched into the adult business and became head of graphic design department there. That was my first meeting with Andy. It was fun times. He worked in the same company as international licensed dealer. So yeah, we met early 1999. Wow. A long time ago. We are old. Me too. I’m even older. Your company’s name, I’m Obtraffic, suggested it originally focused on traffic. Is that what you’re still doing? Yeah, that’s as you said before. So after working all the things with the DVD covers and doing the porn DVD shop and selling a lot of DVDs online. After that I focused more and more in affiliate business because I learned SEO and I learned how easy it was in these years to rank really good in Google Germany. It was like you create a new website seven days later, you are number one. This is when I focused totally on doing websites. And this is still our main business. Right now we run about 100 tube and dating sites all in Germany, Austria, Switzerland. So we’re totally focused on the German speaking markets. That’s my main income. That’s my main business. But it’s sometimes a bit lonely job. You sit in front of the computer all day in the home office. So I found out that most fun was always going to the conferences and then I thought we need to change a little bit and go away from only doing websites and do other stuff like the Gallic for example. Yeah. Or the magazine. Yeah. I’ll talk about that a little bit later. So you’re managing websites for other people or you’re managing your own site? No, it’s all our own site. The only thing we do for others is we do external SEO. So if you have a website and need some help with SEO, we offer the service. But all the websites we do on our own. So I love generating organic traffic and monetize it. Fantastic. Well, since you started in the adult business 25 years ago, your focus has shifted rather significantly. Don’t say shifted significantly too many times. You’re not going to get it. From running a tube site to organize the Gallic conference and launching your orgasm magazine, what motivates and drives you to start new projects? We’re getting old and Stan still is desk. So I like to start new things and make new experiences. And as I said, my highlight as a webmaster was always visiting conferences and meeting new faces. For that reason, I thought maybe I can make this part of the business and create some points to meet myself like the Gallic conference and bring people together and make our business more feel like a small family because I really love to socialize with new and old friends. I think that’s the most important thing. Why I started the Gallic conference and it’s nearly the same with the orgasm magazine because it’s the same focus, bringing people together, bringing businesses together and maybe bring together what doesn’t belong together. Yeah. Yeah. Most definitely. Have you seen conferences change since you got into the industry? Oh, they’re getting bigger, but I don’t like it. Really? Yeah. My favorite conference is a TES and there’s many shows. I mainly visit shows in Europe. I can’t say much about the shows in the US. But in Europe, the TES was the biggest one and now it’s of course not. The AW has much more attendees. But I like it, and I like it if I don’t need to make hundreds of appointments before the show because I have enough time and just go there relaxed and find spaces to talk to the right people. The bigger the show gets, the more I feel like a foreigner, you know, like a stranger. I like the small shows. Yeah. And TES started as a smaller show. Obviously, every show grows when they were the Barcelona Summit. They had a few, was it like three to 500 people, right? Yes. Yes. And I think that’s a good number actually to do business. If it’s the right people, you don’t need more. So don’t get me wrong. It’s great if you make a show with 3,000 people. But if it’s a show and every company brings nine promo girls and things like this, it doesn’t mean you make better business than if it’s only the CEO coming. So more people doesn’t mean more business. Well, if every company brings nine promo girls, you just spend the whole time distracted. Then you have other business to do with everything. No doubt. Let’s talk about the Gaelic Conference. You first held it in Ireland in 2016. Describe the conference and why did you start it in the first place? When I started it, I didn’t want to do a conference. I just invited some webmaster friends for a grill party in my garden because I moved in 2015 to Ireland and I fall totally in Lafous Ireland. So I just invited some webmaster friends to do a barbecue. Unfortunately or luckily, Andy and Julius heard about it and they started to promote it a little bit and talk to people that there will be a webmaster meeting in Ireland. So it became more and more people asking me if they can join. After being more than 100, I said, "Okay, my garden is not big enough." And then I looked for a hotel that I was able to book and we did the first Gaelic Conference. This was more by accident. But on the first show, there was like 220 attendees and then the conference was born and I said, "Okay, let’s do it." In 2017, we did it again, but then I saw it’s too much work beside my main business doing websites. So for this reason, we do it just every two years now. Yeah, the reasons as mentioned, I love Ireland and I wanted to show the beauty of Ireland and the Irish lifestyle to my friends. And beside that, I wanted to offer them a cozy atmosphere to make good business and a very relaxed way. I think we found a niche that has not been covered yet because I don’t know if you remember, but it doesn’t feel like a show. So on the arrival day, we always do this early arrival tour, making some bus travel to nice locations, have a few drinks together and then the ice is broken and everyone sits down on the first evening in the bar and starts doing business. There you go. You talk about the bar. Ireland has some of my favorite drinks. So there you go. I do love Irish whiskey. There’s no two ways about it. That’s good stuff. I think I like better as a Scotch. No. In 2026, the early arrival tour will be a pub crawl to Galway. So maybe you have to join us again. Yes, that sounds like fun. You mentioned why you’re only doing it every other year because a show takes so much work. I was putting a show together until I realized that the partner I had it was a real asshole who wanted me to do all the work. So I basically told him to stuff it. I won’t say who and I won’t say where. But anyway, I was going to do that and really I did a lot of the advanced work already. So maybe I’m the idiot before I pulled out and I realized, I mean, my regular business went to shit. You really have to put a lot of time, a lot of resources into this and forego a lot of other things. How are you able to do everything else even having a show every other year? What helps me a lot is before I started in adult business, my father run his own event agency and I worked a lot and helped him a lot when I was younger there. And so he did exactly the same. He organized in Germany, not in adult business, but he organized with his company events and conferences. So I had a lot of experience how to do it and how to manage it. This helps me, of course, a lot. So you already had an experience on what you needed to do and maybe you could save yourself some time. Yes, yes, for sure. And of course, I’m not alone. So my wife does a lot of phone calls and a lot of like finding the right hotels and travel around the island and check everything out. So it doesn’t feel like like work you have to do. It’s more like vacation if you do it with your wife, you have your dogs with yourself. So sometimes it feels like vacation organizing this conference. But of course, I focus on doing a good job. But as far as I know, everyone was happy last time. So for those of us who haven’t been to your conference, tell the listeners about it from start to finish and why they should go. Why they should go? Because beside all the fun, it’s really a place where you can do good business. Normally we have just between 50 or 100 in that range attendees. But I always call it like a decision maker conference because as I said, it’s you don’t find promo girls. You don’t have a meat market where everyone gives away some plastic shit nobody needs. It’s really a meeting of people you can directly work with and make decisions with. So a handshake in the evening and the business is done. And I always promote it like you don’t need booking tool or whatever to make appointments before the show because we guarantee that you will have enough time and enough space to talk to every other attendee in a nice atmosphere. So it’s easy to get in touch with other people. And we organize a lot of panels, a lot of roundtables and discussion rounds in a really relaxed atmosphere. And it’s a lot of fun. You know, we have a good mix. We have a good mix of nature, of doing business and also of entertainment in the evenings. But even the entertainment in the evenings is not visiting a nightclub where the music is so loud that everyone can dance but nobody can talk. Don’t you hate that? Yeah. I totally hate it. At TES I sit at the night bar because this is where the business is done. And we do the same. We sit in the last year in the railway bar in Roscomment Town. It’s a very small village pub and it’s a calm atmosphere, but it’s relaxed. It’s open. So I would say you must make that experience yourself and just visit us for one time because we are called Gaelic Conference, but we are not a conference like the others. Okay. Maybe you should change the name. Yeah. Andy tells me that every day. Andy is a smart man. We know that. How should I call it? Gaelic, it was meant to be a barbecue conference. Yes. Yes. That sounds great. That sounds perfect. It was meant to be a barbecue. How many participants do you expect for the show in 2026 and what should they expect to find if someone comes to the conference other than what you’ve already talked about? I expect 50 to 100. I don’t think it will be more or less than the last time and what should they expect? Oh, we have one totally new thing in 2026 because we do the show in Roscomment Town. Maybe nobody knows where it is, but it’s the midlands of Ireland. So in the middle of nowhere and like two and a half hours by car from Dublin Airport. So it wasn’t always easy for our attendees to visit us there. So we do something new in 2026. The first evening we will all meet in Dublin. So the first night you can book full packages. So we take care of the hotel bookings and everything. So we will all meet in Dublin in a hotel, have a nice evening, have a nice dinner together. And the next morning we have buses and bringing all the guys all together to Roscomment where the conference is held. So it will be a four day event in the next year instead of three days we had before. Why don’t you target more people? You talked about 220 the first year. Have you intentionally made it smaller? Both. It happened and I was happy about it because I said the meeting was never for me to do another conference. There is so many conferences. There’s so many big conferences and I think they do a very good job. They have big teams. So first of all, I cannot manage with my small team, just my wife and me organizing a conference for thousands of people. So this will not work. And on the other side, there is no need for this because there is great conferences. If you love that, go there. Everything is fine. We wanted to create something completely different like the barbecue in the garden. And now it’s still the same. It’s not a barbecue in the garden, but it’s still a come together of close business friends and decision makers. Yeah, the name is wrong. It’s not a conference and I don’t want to do a conference like all the others. You know, a lot of the shows now like TES have diversified away from just adult. Your show is strictly adult, right? I never focused on that, but yes it is. Okay. I can’t say why and of course everyone is welcome, but since 2016, it was always a come together of adult specialists only. Nothing wrong with that? No, I like it. I miss it. Although TES is still amazing and about I’d say 70% are still adult and you get 2000 people so do the math. I mean, it’s pretty incredible. Now I like the days where everybody was there for the same reason. It certainly saved time sorting through people, you know, especially when there’s that many people, but of course in a smaller show, that’s not as important. And I side thing about the conference is, you know, it’s a pure porn show, as you said, a pure adult show and we do it in the most Catholic country in Europe and Roscommon Town is the most Catholic town on the whole island. So happily until now, I think the hotel has no idea what our show is about. Well, I was going to ask you about that because yes, it is a very religious country. Yeah. I live in a wedding hotel. So this is really that’s my kind of humor. Oh my God, that is your humor. That definitely is your humor. I mean, I think there have actually been porn events here in Thailand, but always very hush hush. Yeah, because porn is just so incredibly illegal here. I don’t think it’s illegal in Ireland, right? No, it’s not. But I tell all the sponsors that on the on the roll up on us on the flyers, there should be no nudity or something like that. Yeah, we don’t want to have any problems or any issues. Exactly. They are really kind people, so we should put them too much into our business. Absolutely. So you had previously planned an event in the Eternal Ice, the polar WWW. Here we go with that word again, conference. Do you think it’s ever going to become a reality because you had to postpone that? I really hope so. That’s my dream and we wanted to do it in 2023, but I had no idea how difficult it is to make a booking for an ice hotel in Norway. The problem is if I do it, I want to do it right. I want everybody to see the Northern Lights or whatever, but it’s not like you go to the North and you see the Northern Lights every night. So there’s only few special places in Europe where you have really a big chance like 80, 85 percent to see them. So I figured out there’s a very small town in Norway called Alta. It’s one of the most Norse places in Norway. They don’t even have an airport. They just have an ice field where some special planes can land. And I found an ice hotel there. Right now, it really looks good that I can finish to do the final booking because it’s a very luxury leisure hotel and just beside the hotel, they build an ice hotel every winter. So our plan for 2027 is I think at latest in July or August this year, I can 100 percent say I got the signed contract back or not. So I sent them every documents already. I signed everything. I’m just waiting now for their final response because they don’t need us. They are sold out every year anyway. But that’s what we want to do. We want to do the of course, we cannot stay three days and nights in the ice hotel because even at daytime and there will be no daytime in winter, it will be darkest night and the highest temperature will be minus 25 minus 30 degrees Celsius. So of course we do it in the nice hotel, but doing some parties, doing some cocktail meetings or whatever in an ice hotel, I think this is an experience we will never forget. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. When it’s that cold, count me out, man. I live in Thailand. Just a bit cold for me. Call me a pussy if you want. I do all the times when we meet. I know you do. But that’s one reason why I thought I want to do it because people like you, people like Andy, people like everyone, every CEO from our business, they have been at conferences everywhere, no matter if it’s the Caribbean or if it’s the Mali-Div or whatever, if it’s Thailand everywhere, they have been everywhere, but nobody has ever been at the polar circle. And I think it’s beautiful as well. So maybe you need a few more jackets or whatever, but I think it’s an experience you will not forget if you visit that. I wouldn’t forget it. Now, I’d be inside with the heat most of the time, but like I’m inside with the aircon here, but that’s another story. Let’s talk about your newest project, EuroGasm Magazine. You did an interview with me early on and I do appreciate that. Have you been planning EuroGasm for a long time or was it more of a spontaneous idea? I think it shows my midlife crisis. I started like that and it was always my favorite job and my favorite fun. I love to work as a graphic designer and as a journalist and I just stopped it and things happen in life and you find yourself in a completely different business. So the main reason why I do it now after dreaming about it since many years is you remember Günther Günther, a good webmaster friend of mine. He just died a few months ago and he was in my age, same age. And I know he has had so many dreams, what he wanted to do and he always said, "Oh, later next year I want to start this, this, this." So honestly, when he died, when he passed away, I decided I’d do the magazine now because you never know what happens in the future and I want to do it since years. So the time is now and I did it. That’s awesome. Yeah. Well, it can be certainly a tribute to Günther. It is. Good. It is. Beautiful. Yeah, he was a lovely guy. He was definitely a lovely guy. Everyone adored him. Everyone adored him. "The orgasm exists both online and in print. Why do you go through the trouble and the expense, by the way, since print editions are known to be expensive and require significantly more effort than an online-only magazine?" Oh, you sound 100% like my wife. She said the same, "Don’t do it. You know the risk is so much higher because it’s thousands of thousands of thousands of dollars to make that print magazine because even the first issue had much more than 100 sites. And if I do it, I want to do it in a really high quality. But I’m old school. You know, I don’t even read e-books or something. I like the feeling of paper in my hands and go through it. So for me, it’s more like it’s a print magazine and we also have an online version of it. But my main focus is print magazine and I do it really in a style that I hope people will like it the same as I do and maybe collect it and put it in their bookshelf or whatever. Because it’s really, I focus a lot on the content and also a lot of the graphic design and the artwork and everything. It must be a print edition. That’s what I wanted to do, even if it’s not needed, of course, because all the articles can be find on the website as well. Yeah, I’m sure you’ll have an online reader as well. Yeah, most of the readers are online readers. We give the print magazine away on all the trade fairs across Europe. Not only the adult shows, also we go, we are at gaming events. We are at content creator meetups in Germany and other countries. So at all these trade fairs, you can get it for free. And also you have the opportunity to order it from the website, but then you have to pay for it. There you go. So how would you describe New York Asset? I can tell you the slogan we have on the website. And the slogan we have on the website is, we strongly believe that the adult business, the content creator industry and the online gaming community share more similarities than differences. And this is what our magazine is all about. We want to bring together people that never work together. And we want to cross borders because there’s so many people, for example, working in the gaming community and are scared to have relationships in adult business because they are scared to lose their sponsors or whatever. If they find out they also do business with content creators or whatever. And I want to break that ice and bring us together because in the end, we all have more or less the same business. So you can call the Eurogazoo magazine maybe like the everything you can make money with in the Internet magazine because this is what it’s about and what I want to be about. That’s very important for me. And of course, it’s not easy because even if I have stories or tutorials about the adult business, I need to take care that the magazine can still be shown at a gaming community meeting where people have no contact to adult. So it’s like walking on the edge, but I think we do a good job about it. You often emphasize and you just talked about this similarities between industries, Twitch streaming, only fans or the adult business. Give us an example of this. Oh, I can give you many. The best one is maybe the ASMR. I don’t know if you know that fetish or niche or whatever. Antenomous Sensory Meridian Response ASMR. It’s a big trend on Twitch. It’s let’s say it’s like, you know, making sounds that relax the people that are stressed in the office or whatever. So they have you have their girls scratching their skin very softly or or just breathing calmly or whatever. It’s strange, but it’s a really huge thing on Twitch. And they are on these channels. Of course, it’s mainly girls doing this. Yeah, I was going to say does that guy scratching their balls too? No, but there’s for example, for me, it sounds funny, but it’s a really big thing on Twitch. I have a microphone in the form of an ear and then they lick this ear and the sound of it. You know, then you see, wow, there’s 12,000 people listening to that girl right now. So I dive a bit deeper and I was looking for ASMR on only fans and guess what? Same huge trend. Okay, there the girl is naked, but doing exactly the same. What the people on Twitch do. And then I put ASMR on xamster.com and there’s a big category with thousands of videos with the same fetish. So this is a great example that it’s one niche, but it covers Twitch, it covers only fans, it covers Xamster and you find also online games like Cyberpunk 2077 where this takes place in some corners of the story. So I think we have a lot of similarities. Indeed. The magazine features new weekly interviews with the various key figures from different industries. How important are these interviews to you since they even have their own dedicated section in the magazine? For me, it’s one of the main components of the magazine because as I said before, I love bringing people together and I love to show the person behind a brand or behind a company because you can make much better business with someone that you know and that you respect and that you maybe find you can become a friend in person in life as well. It’s the same when I see my webmaster work. I don’t send the traffic to that company where I can make 10-year-old more revenue in a month or whatever. For me, it’s also important to have trust to that company, to know the people and to love working with them. I want to help to get to know more of the leaders of our business. So we do these interviews at least once a week, sometimes two interviews a week. So no matter if it’s the online magazine or in the print magazine, 30% is interviews with decision makers of our industry. I was just going to say, don’t shoot your wide because you may run out. Hopefully not. But I’m a lucky guy. It’s not only adult. You know, if I don’t find anyone here, I go to Twitch or I go to the Gamescon and find new people. There you go. Fantastic. So Eurogazem is not the first magazine in our industry. We’ve got the late-grade Fubar, of course, that kind of died with JFK, unfortunately. Payout, Come Shoot Me, and various online ones like Xbiz, etc. Do you see them as competition and where do you position your Eurogazem? First of all, I don’t like word competition at all because I think the market is big enough for all of us. And the more magazines there are, the better it is because then you can choose what you want to read or not. But if I compare the Eurogazem magazine to Fubar, to Payout magazine, to Come Shoot Me, there’s one huge difference. If I see it right, these magazines mainly focus on covering shows, doing great picture stories about the shows and things like this. And this is something we don’t do or we nearly don’t do. Of course, we do a few pictures when we are visiting a show. But we are more like journalistic magazine with a lot of tutorials, with a lot of stories, with a lot of news about laws, about tax laws, regulations, or whatever. So our magazine, if you have it in your hand, it’s more like a book. So it’s really a lot to read and a lot to work through. We want to share information. I think this makes us a little bit different. So maybe you can compare to the X-Biz magazine, but there’s a huge difference because we are a pure European business magazine. So we are focused on the European market, on the European regulations, on the European laws and everything that is related to do this business in Europe. So that’s the biggest difference, I would say. So I would imagine you’re looking for advertisers for your magazine? Everyone. Yeah. Welcome to capitalism. Of course. So advertisers, sponsors, business partners, always welcome. If you have any idea how to cooperate, how to work together and make it beneficial for both sides, just contact us. We are always open for everything. But one thing is for sure, we will not be pure advertising magazine or whatever. So we clearly show this is stories, this is tutorials, and this is an advertising spot. So I don’t like the idea of paying paid content or something and then make the article look like it’s just advertising for a company. Like Advertorial was what you call it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I didn’t know that word, but that’s exactly it. You won’t be doing those. No, this is not our focus. Okay. Of course, we have advertising spots. Of course, you can get in the print magazine, a full page ad, half page ad or whatever and the same on the online, but it will be marked as this is content and this is advertising. Okay. I get the distinct impression you didn’t do this necessarily to make a buck. I will be happy if I stop paying the printing myself. So of course, we need to monetize it so far that it’s a zero business for me because this is what I always wanted to do. This is what I love to do. This is if I can’t sleep in the evening. I don’t watch television. I work on the next article. But the main business that I make my money for a living with is I’m up traffic and we have good websites. We have good rankings. We have good traffic. So I don’t need this magazine to earn money. And of course, my wife will kill me if I don’t stop paying the printing myself in the future. If it’s a tremendous money pit, she’s not going to let you do it. No, right. She says, look, it’s your hobby. Do it and you focus so much. You put so much effort in it. So make sure we don’t pay for it. But we’re on a very good way. So no problem at all. And I really love doing this. So I can promise the York as a magazine will follow you for a long time. I will not stop that. Well it’s very obvious your passion for what you’re doing, Roland. And that’s one thing I’ve always found about you. Everything you do, you’re passionate about. Would that be? Life is short. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, it’s not only business-wise. It’s same in private life. But yes, the older I get, the more I focus on, you know, if you do something, if you want to do something, do it right or don’t do it at all. I agree. Well, let’s put the job aside for a moment. Let’s talk about who Roland is. What are you like in your private life and how do you spend your non-working hours? At the moment, it’s switching a bit. You know, the last like 20 years, I’ve put all my private life, all my time and all my passion in saving animals. We ran our own sanctuary for abused animals in the Czech Republic for many years. And we lived there together in the worst times with more than 50, 60 animals. But right now I’m reducing it because it makes something, it was always, you know, it was you know, that if it’s stray or from really bad people, the animals, they were all sick. They were all injured or whatever. So you always lived with all this suffering around you. And this makes something. This makes something with you. There was one day that I said to myself, okay, my mental health is not as good as it should be because this really made me depressive. So we switched it and we put away many of these animals to other sanctuaries. And now I focus on paying for this and supporting other sanctuaries. But I cannot do it myself anymore in this big way I did it before. Yeah, but that’s my private passion. You know, there’s so many shit going around. So there’s a saying, you know, you if you save one stray cat or whatever, you don’t change the world and you don’t make the world better. But I think for this one cat, you changed everything and you make everything better. So it’s worth it. But that reason I’m not allowed to visit the icon in Cyprus anymore. Because whenever you’d come back with 32 cats. Yeah, I always came back with stray cats and it’s really fucking expensive to get there everywhere. They’re everywhere in Cyprus. I couldn’t believe it. Every time I went to dinner, there were like five of them. Yeah, and that’s my problem, you know, when I went to dinner with my colleagues there, I was under the table catching the most injured cat and bring it to a doctor. And now he lives here in Germany with us. So I can’t go to Cyprus anymore. But it’s not only it’s not only animals, you know, I’m the civilization God. I’m not sure if you know the the Sid Meier civilization PC games. Seven, I think sevens version is right now on the market. And he always makes joke with it. But whenever a new civilization game hits the market, nobody sees or hears me for the next two weeks because I just closed the door and I live in that world. So even playing computer, I do very passionate like junkie. I love it. I love it. Well, we certainly share that passion about animals. You know, we have five dogs and we rescue strays from here in Thailand. And that’s something that’s very important to me. So we certainly share that. And I love the fact that you did that and still rescue the pets from time to time role. That’s fantastic. Yeah. So whenever you visit a show or any other guy listening to this visits show, come to our meat market table because wherever I’m up traffic has a meat market table. We have also a box to collect money for centuries. Beautiful. Just to have it said. Okay, I’ll take care. I’ll make sure and contribute. You got it. I didn’t know that, but now I do. Hey, Roland, I’d like to thank you for being our guest today on Adult Site Broker Talk. And I hope we’ll get a chance to do this again soon. Thank you very much for the invitation, Bruce. And hopefully see you soon. I certainly hope so. My broker tip today is part seven of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later. Last week we talked about trademarking your site and ways to make it unique. Next, when you decide to sell your website, make sure you have the following information available for potential buyers. Detailed information about your company, your website, and any other aspect of your operation the potential buyers may want to find out about. This should include, for a pay site, a detailed inventory of your content, number of images and number of videos, how much of those are exclusive and how much are non-exclusive. Financial information for at least the last three years if your company is that old. This should include sales reports, profit and loss statements, and billing reports. Get all the information organized in a legible format that a good broker can use to sell your property. If you decide to sell it yourself, organize a list of potential buyers and start the process of contacting them. Be realistic about what your company is worth. In today’s market, the kiss of death is overpricing your property. Is there anything that a potential buyer needs to know, such as "are you being sued? Do you have any substantial debts?" Don’t let these things be a surprise to the potential buyer. They’ll either find out before the sale and not buy, or they’re going to find out after the sale and you’ll have another lawsuit on your hands. Disclose everything. We’ll talk about this subject more next week. And next week we’ll be speaking with Mark Prince of TooMuch.net. And that’s it for this week’s Adult Site Broker Talk. I’d once again like to thank my guest, Roland Grotheer. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I’m Bruce Friedman. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) (upbeat music) [BLANK_AUDIO]
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