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Tanguy started doing web development in the adult industry way back in the dark ages of 1996. He began working for iGallery, helping to create some of the first affiliate programs, early streaming video with chat, exit consoles, and he was involved with some of the earliest credit card processing on the internet. In 2002, he launched his own consulting firm, focused largely on development within the adult industry. Throughout his tenure and adult, Tanguy has worked with both large and small companies, always aiming to make the industry a better place through technology. He built the first version of Pass, reworked Hustler's CMS, and developed the Evil On Demand platform for Evil Angels, first pay-per-minute videos. Since then, Tanguy has continued to work in the industry, including spending 15 years building the tech at Clips for Sale. More recently, he's been doing development work for Pineapple Support and ASACP, and I want to thank you for that. Two organizations I believe very strongly in. And now his latest project is Spicy Gigs. Spicy Gigs is a free industry tool to help facilitate in-person shoots to connect, collaborate, communicate, and create. You can find them at spicygigs.com. So, Tan Guy, how'd you like your commercial? Oh, that was great. It was great hearing from someone else. Like, it sounds so impressive. I know. I like that guy. Who is he? All right. So, you've been building websites in the adult industry for 30 years. How did you get started and what was the industry like way back then? Oh, man. So, yeah, I was going to UCLA. I was a freshman and I needed a summer gig because I was moving in with my girlfriend. I chose out of the newspaper, I think it was. Somebody had written a, what do you call those? What did you used to call those in the newspaper? The ads for jobs. Classified ads. Classifieds. That's it. Yeah. And I chose one and it sounded interesting and it was a minimum wage job. And I gave him a call. The job was labeled as image librarian. And I called them up and they told me it was for adult content. And I said, that's okay. I'll ask my girlfriend if she's okay with that. So, I did. And she said, why the fuck would you even ask me? That was kind of like before we started. I mentioned to you that you can swear on the podcast because it's an adult podcast. And she said something like, I wouldn't even fucking thought of asking. So, go ahead. Right. So, you know, I, you know, she was okay with that. I'm married. We're still married to this day after I said, you know, I will marry you. And so, I went out and this job was like, literally, there was an audio text company, which is what we call the phone sex stuff. It's audio text. they had just started building websites to promote their audio text and they needed to have someone to take slides and scan slides and then label them and i was like this is a completely menial job but i i sat there and you know they just started and everything happened super fast like you know i was doing the job you know part-time going to school at ucla and i was taking you know uh programming classes at night all i was doing was hacking and programming and sitting on irc and um pretty quickly the you know they they took notice that i knew things like unix and pearl and c and the the guy who was the i think he was the cto maybe at the time he was like oh you know this why aren't you doing this stuff and i was like i don't know and so i did like right away i mean this happened within maybe a month of me being there. And I ended up just programming for them. And right away, and a lot of it at the time was HTML and JavaScript, because that was the landscape. And all we were doing was building fairly simplistic sites at the time. And those sites, you know, were at first, he said he wanted to just do that. And I think it was either Ron Levy or at Cyberotica, or it was Seth, who said you should be building things like, you know, Seth's Club Love, where it's a membership site charging monthly, which we did, like right away. And from that point on, it was just me, you know, a few programmers came in, but we started just doing all this technology right away, really fast, nothing had been created, you know, there was JavaScript was in its infancy at the time. And I was utilizing it to do these things that they had never seen before. One of the first things I did actually was pretty funny. It was a strip blackjack game. And so, I wrote the code. One of my favorite games. Right? And they, you know, I got the graphics guy was there with me because I was doing the the image capturing from the slides. And he drew all these different, you know, strip blackjack, you know, he drew the cards, he drew the dealer, I put it all together and they loved it. And many, many years later, I caught up with they ended up spinning off a gambling company. And the guy who ended up running that he went to Curacao. And years and years later, he said to me, oh my god do you know how much money i made on your strip blackjack game i'm like no please tell me but that's how you know the whole landscape was like you know we're like scanning slides to use it was like you know if it was a redhead we'd label redhead if it was a brunette we'd label it that she was italian like if she was blonde we'd label her european or whatever it was and you know just organize that stuff, create these sites, these bare sites. And then, you know, pretty quickly, we moved into like the streaming side of it. And the streaming we were doing, it was actually, I think my boss at the time, he was the CTO. And he had found a machine that you could plug in a camera and it would capture JPEGs. And so all that early streaming was like a JPEG push that the browser supported, which was just push one JPEG after another. And it looked like a video. It wasn't, you know, 30 frames a second. It wasn't real video. There was no sound. It was just capturing JPEGs, you know, one every five seconds. But that's all there was then. That's all there was. So, things like, you know, so, we started doing that. We added, you know, a chat aspect to that. And, you know, we had girls in the office with me. I was like 19, 20 years old. And I had these girls in the office with me that were, you know, doing their thing in the next room. And I was, you know, working on it. It would break. I'd fix it. It was a pretty, like, crazy atmosphere that the technology just boomed. Like, I can't, like, to this day, I mean, I've been doing this for 30 years. That period of time between 1996 and 2000, nothing to this day has been that much of an upward tick in technology. Yeah. This conversation reminds me a little bit of some of the ones I've had on the podcast with Steve Lightspeed, because I'm sure you know Steve. And he started about the same time you did. And I started a few years later, but I've been in this a long time, too. But never on the tech side, man. Now, I break things. I break things. My dev fixes them. Thank you, Zach. What are the biggest changes you've seen in the adult industry from the early web days to now? You know, those early days, a lot of the work that we used to do was really the content itself. It was seen as content. These people were almost used. I don't know if that's the right word to use or not. But these people were, you know, they were really seen as content. They were being paid very little money. And there was a lot of people that were just profiting upon them getting naked on camera, whatever it was, you know. And so from that inception to today, where 30 years later, the content creation and the owners are the people that create that content. Yeah, yeah. Really democratized, hasn't it? It really has. It's actually, I mean, from an altruistic standpoint, I actually, I fully agree with, you know, the way that this has happened because these are the people that should be profiting from them doing the work themselves rather than, you know, hustling. Yeah, as opposed to somebody being paid a couple hundred dollars to do a scene and then the person who owns the company makes all the money. Now it's totally flipped, hasn't it? Yeah. And like, that stuff is amazing to me. We used to have our own convention and our own conventions where there was no people that made content. There was no models there. There was nobody that was in porn there. This was just B2B people and that was it. Like the old Phoenix Forum and the early Internet shows and things like that. I had so much fun at all of those shows. The Internet show was great. Like my first one was IA 2000. It was in Vegas, right? It was... And I remember that show was crazy because it was all business. I was young. I might have been 21. And that one happened to be at the same time as AVN. And like some of the people brought me down to the AVN show and I was like, this is weird. And I was like, this is a weird sad guy peddling porn DVDs, you know? So even AVN was a different landscape. It was like anybody who bent over, guy, girl would get picture taken. Yeah. I had an interesting experience at my first AVN. I just was like, holy shit. Yeah, this is wild. Yeah. And when AVN really started hitting a few years later, it was pretty wild. And Internext used to be a thing. Yeah. Internext was just like, and it was like, I feel like even the business people were nerds. It was a weird environment that can't be created today. Like, definitely the business today is definitely the mixture of both. It is. It is. And I like it that way. But it certainly was very, very different as far as the makeup of the people back then. And I also really miss the old Internext because obviously it's whittled down to almost nothing. And that used to be just an incredible show. It would be great if they could add some life to that because I think they even changed the name this year. So I didn't go. I wasn't in Vegas. I do everything possible to avoid going to Vegas. Oh, I love Vegas. So I'll go just as an excuse. Somebody has to. somebody has to love Vegas. I even got nominated this year. This podcast got nominated for a favorite podcast, which I want to thank Avian for that. But no, I blew my wad in LA. So yeah. Back in the day when we had our own industry stuff, I could go as a software developer and there's not a lot of adult industry software developers. It's like me and Conrad pretty much that are like the only people that have been around forever, just still doing software development in the adult industry. And I could get contract after contract. I could meet new people. I could meet old people. And there would be work for me there at Internext. Phoenix Forum was amazing for me, always. Phoenix Forum was incredible. There's a big sense of loss among a lot of people that that isn't happening anymore. Phoenix Forum was great all the time for me. And it kept me going all those years but the shows this year since COVID really since just before COVID none of this really as a software developer panned out for me as you know to get more work more contracts because the the other problem is you know when you get back to your original question which was like how has the landscape changed a lot of the major sites are owned by two or three major companies and they don't need new people. They let people go. That's all they do. Yeah. There's a lot of that going on right now. No two ways about it. So what made you stay in this industry for decades and what still excites you about it? I'm very punk rock, you know, and I think it's just doing this for so long. You know, you kind of, you know, I've actually worked in mainstream for contracts. Like I worked at Warner Brothers for many years. The Bird Scooters, like my company did the initial technology for Bird Scooters. And I have seen the world of corporate America. And I guarantee you, it is not for me. Like I don't work any part of this. Like even I did, you know, 2006, I redid Live Nation's website. Like I was part of a team that redid Live Nation's website. And that was a good gig. But I definitely don't want any part of this corporate industry and this cutthroat people. I was in there at Live Nation. And there was a guy there in LA. He was in the Beverly Hills office that I was in there. And I sat down just to chat with him once. And he said, I'm writing a book about how I created the first affiliate program on the internet. And I was like, oh, please tell me more. Because I did that, you know? And, you know, he was telling me about it. And I said, you know, I created many of the beginning affiliate programs in the adult industry. A few years before you created yours, if you want any insight for your book, please let me know. After that, I was kind of shunned. Oh, well. Oh, well. That's what happens when you're honest. You know, the original start of the Live Nation thing was Bill Graham Presents. So that's changed a lot. I remember meeting Bill Graham at a Super Bowl party in the Riverboat Natchez in 1990 in New Orleans. And that was, yeah, it was Lee Steinberg and Jeffrey Morad's party. All the Super Bowl media were invited, and I had a press pen for that. So, yeah, my previous life. it was cool really cool meeting bill graham and he died a few months later oh wow yeah it was crazy it was freaking crazy it was like wow here today gone tomorrow was natchez the same as it is now the riverboat yeah yeah it seemed like it was the same as that had always been but then i didn't have anything to compare it to right and i don't have anything to compare it to now but it was a it was a very cool party. That was back in the day that Lee Steinberg and Jeffrey Morad were partners. And obviously, they had some stories to tell. And I actually have a story about it. Lee Steinberg was asking everyone's name and shaking their hand as they walked on to the boat. So, the next night, after the game, I was, of course, on Bourbon Street after I got my stuff filed for my reports. And I ran into him. He was at, God, what the hell is the name of that famous bar? O'Brien's? No, I can't even think of the name. Is it O'Brien's? The one that made the hurricane. Yeah, yeah, the dude, the hurricanes. Exactly. So anyway, I was there, and there's Jeffrey Morad, drunk as hell. He's with one of his clients, Pierce Hold, who used to be a lineman for the Niners. And Pierce was literally holding him up by his shirt. And I swear to God, Lee Steinberg remembered my name. I was like, holy shit. Wow. Yeah, that was pretty cool. Cool times at the Super Bowl. That was 10 days. I'm surprised I lived through. Anyway, how did platforms like OnlyFans change the business for creators, both positively and negatively? you know, getting back to what I was saying earlier, you know, in creating a platform for creators, OnlyFans really dold the business. You know, Clips for Sale did this kind of, you know, before OnlyFans, but Clips for Sale obviously is in the just the fetish scene. So, a little bit different because it didn't get the traction mainstream gets. And the adoption of the idea that somebody on their own can provide their own content and aspects of their life and make the money themselves was just such a foreign idea. And like, there wasn't that many people that did it, Clips for Sale, one of the earliest because Neil Orkin who started it, he loved foot content, He loved foot fetishes stuff. And he couldn't find anything on the internet at the time that wasn't professionally done. Because it was people like the companies I was working for that was providing the foot fetish content that they were just hiring some beautiful model that did whatever and they would take the feet. But these weren't people that loved foot fetish. So, he was like, I want this amateurish content of feet so I can enjoy this. So that kind of a mentality shift of like, you know, we're going to instead of we're going to hire somebody to make content to sell, it's the content creator ended up being the person who created the content that they wanted to sell. And they're the ones who made the money. And I think that really that shift is what dominates the things that are going on right now. Yeah. I mean, Cliffs for Sale doesn't get the credit that it deserves for being the innovators that they are. I know Neil and I'm sure you also know his dad Abe Oh yeah very well My man Yeah I love Gotta check on him he's getting up in years I should He's doing great by the way He's got a girlfriend now And he's touring the world You know living his life Good for him Abe's a sweetheart Man what a great man What a wonderful man You understand how Neil came up the way you did. Yeah, we all call him Uncle Aby to this day. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If I was in trouble, that's probably the guy I would call. Love him. What's the number one struggle creators face today when trying to grow and collaborate? I think it's when you go from, you know, someone who owns pussy.com or sex.com, right, they're going to get all the traffic. And so, There are so many content creators out there. And the idea that all these people are going to be making tons of money is ridiculous. So I don't remember what the numbers were. And I read them not that long ago. I heard there's over 4 million creators on OnlyFans. It's insane. And only like the top 2% make decent money. Because they hear all the time, you know, like, Oh, make $100,000 a month doing OnlyFans. And then people do it. And it's the same thing with YouTube, right? Like I, you know, I have a YouTube channel. I have 70 subscribers. You know, I'm not making millions of dollars posting content on YouTube. Same thing with OnlyFans, right? It really the same as anything else, a little bit of luck, you know, good content, good editing and constant updates. Like it is hard work. Definitely. And the challenge for anyone, for instance, starting at OnlyFans today, All I can say is good luck. I do think that many of the agencies do them a service by trying to promote them. But then you've got the rest of the agencies that I wouldn't touch. But there's some very good ones. And those are the ones that I associate with. And you got to have somebody promoting you. Because unless you're an expert marketer, which none of these people virtually are, you better have some help. Yeah. Like I had a friend who he married a woman and she got into the adult industry and she was not the hardest of workers. Oh, good luck. And so, you know, did okay for a while while she was with an agency, but then left the agency for, you know, whatever, you know, the reasons that. I can do this myself. Yeah. And which, of course, she doesn't. Right. She's not self-promoting. She's not posting constantly. Because it's like, it's a nonstop thing. If you stop, like, you're dead in the water. You know, it's the same thing with anything. Patreon or whatever it is. Like you're just going to be dead in the water. I think the hardest thing is getting in that top 10%. And a lot of those OnlyFans, from what I understand, those OnlyFans agencies, the people that do a good job end up signing with these people because these people are going to do constant promotion. Yeah. You know, you got the ones who live off the fat of the land and those I've got no time for. But the agencies that actually get out there and promote the hell out of these creators, those are the people that I think are, you know, definitely serve an important purpose. Just like any ad agency, marketing agency, you know, that definitely helps people make money. And that's what it's all about. Why are collabs and gigs so important for creators? And what usually goes wrong when trying to arrange them? Oh, that's a great question. I know I asked. So, collabs are important because of the same thing we were just discussing, which is there are only a certain amount of these content creators who are known and promoted. And like right now, like I just built a site for Riley Reid and she's amazing. She has a huge following. I think she might be like one of the last true quote unquote porn stars that became famous from being a porn star rather than an OnlyFans person. But now, you know, that's what she's doing. She's playing the game correctly. And what she does is she does a collab with somebody that she likes. And they'll film together. And then because people are watching Ridley Reed, they'll watch the other person. So the idea of just these collabs are just getting your name out and people like this person and that person, and they get together and you're like, oh my God, this is great. And I'm like, oh, I love this girl or guy and I'm going to follow him. You know, I'm going to follow him on OnlyFans. That's what makes this so good. And like a lot of people, I'm sure you haven't arranged a collab with somebody to do a shoot for yourself. But I've talked to a lot of them. And, you know, it's difficult arranging collabs, even gigs, you know, with producers. It's one of those things that, you know, there's a lot of things that go on behind the scenes that people don't realize, which is a lot of arrangements. There's contracts have to be signed, model releases have to be signed. Model releases need to be updated, right? Like the current things is like, there's some states that require the model release to have exactly what is, you know, you agree to do exactly what you did in the film. Anything to make it harder. Yeah. Those model releases need to be updated. So a lot of this stuff is communication. That's boils down to is communication. And there has to be a lot of communication and it can't be on the phone. It has to be written down so that there is no mistake, you know, because these contracts have to be signed. And when it comes down to it, there are lawsuits that happen, you know, based on she told me this and she messaged me that and they're using like the Instagram DMs or text messages or whatever it is, you know, WhatsApp. And when it comes down to, you know, brass tacks, it ends up being like, well, I told you this on, you know, WhatsApp and the person sitting there that's going to put out the clip is like, I don't have WhatsApp, you know, like you told someone else. Yeah, you told someone the wrong person. Having something like a clear and concise communication channel for the work that you're doing. We think of it as fun. A lot of the people that purchase adult content, they don't want to see that this is a job or work. No, they don't want to see the business side. 100% of it is, right? It's all contracts. It's all communication. It's all making sure all your ducks are in a row, all your T's are crossed. And so that's really the difficulty. Yeah. And I know a lot of producers that will have a wide camera on all the time just to make sure there's no problems. And then at the same time, they'll also have the people say at the beginning what they've agreed to do. That way, there's no mistaking. And I think that's very, very, very smart. So the other thing that comes to mind when you mentioned some of the states changing the rules, you have to wonder if they're going to start coming after us with 2257 again, which we thought we were over that. But all bets are off with this administration and some of these conservative states and countries with age verification and all the other stuff that's going on. I don't know what's next, but I don't even want to ask that question, to be honest with you. I don't know if you're aware of it, but I've got a site called thewaronporn.com. You should definitely check it out. It has the articles about all of these age verification laws and lawsuits and this and that of people that are coming after us. You know, years ago, I purchased the domain bringbackporn.com, and I was like, this is going to be the last site on the internet. Yeah, no kidding. No kidding. So tell me what made you decide to build Spicey Gigs and what problem were you seeing that wasn't being solved? So Spicey Gigs was really the brainchild of a major producer. So I have two other business partners. And so there was a major producer in the industry. You know, he's been in this industry longer than you or me. And he has done – he used to work for Wicked. He used to work for Vivid. Don't want to give the name. It's Michael Bisco. Oh, okay. Yeah, I can give the name. He's a great guy. Girlfriend Films, Naughty America. And so, the thing is, he's been doing this a long time, right? And so, he has noticed the changes that have happened in the industry. Being the guy who he makes his living off of ensuring that he can get somebody there to film with him. And which has become more and more difficult. So he was like, if I can have a system where I can find people that I need for a shoot. If I go to Florida, I want to search for people in Florida. And then having the communication all in one area, like amazing. He was like, you have no idea how many times I hire a girl and I say to her on a text message, don't show up with long fingernails. And she says, yes, of course. And then she shows up on set with long fingernails. And he says, like, I can't shoot with you because I told you not to. And she was like, no, you didn't. And so he was like, there's got to be a better way. And there's got, you know, the way that things are, you know, it used to be easy. I mean, everything really was, you know, because back in the day, like, people were hired for this job. And they, you know, as we discussed earlier. You know, this was a job, they weren't being paid very much, but this was their job to show up for this set on this day at this location with these parameters. They were given paperwork beforehand. They agreed to that paperwork beforehand. They signed the stuff when they got there. To this day, when these people are that are being hired for these jobs, they are the creators. So, they see themselves as the creator. So, it creates this like schism of like somebody is paying them a lot more than they used to make. And they're not following instruction because they feel like they don't need to. Yeah, they feel like I'm the big person here. You're not. So, I'll do whatever the hell I want. And obviously, when you're dealing with a producer, that ain't the case. No two ways about it. There's definitely a pecking order. Yeah, when you're doing some of these professional shoots, it definitely is very serious. And you've got to listen. You've got to follow directions. And when that happens, the agencies these days, there's a lot of those big agencies that used to be around, I think most of them are gone now, but maybe the one or two still exist. You still have to pay the agent. That agent doesn't give a shit. They don't care whether this is a he said, she said thing. I still want my 500 bucks. And so, even if you can't film that day, you know, you've, uh, the producer has rented a Airbnb. They've got the cameraman there. They got the lighting, they got the wardrobe and the person shows up and you can't use them that day. You know, the shoot is called off. You just lost money. And then you have to pay that person's agent. So his thing was like, we need to make a system in the adult industry that works for everybody. It can't just be like for agents. It can't just be for producers. It can't just be or the content creators, like it has to work for everybody. It has to be like a consistent and clear way of hiring people for jobs, communicating with them, and then having them show up and create it. Yeah. Yeah. But until it's created. So why don't you get into detail exactly what is Spicy Gigs? So Spicy Gigs does exactly that. And if whatever job you are doing, in the industry when it comes to physical shooting, right? This is not my world, right? This is, I'm the guy who sits behind a computer at home. So, I did that, you know, back in the day where I would go out and set up cameras for people, you know, deja vu, I set up the cameras for a live feed that we did. But I'm not that guy anymore, especially. So, we wanted to create something for spicy gigs that would, regardless of your position in the industry for doing physical shoots, whether you're a producer, whether you're a wardrobe person, a lighting person, a sound person, a producer, or a studio, that there's one place that you can go create a profile, promote yourself with that profile, and then find other people that want to do this with you. So, in Spicy Gigs, as a producer or as anybody, you can go in, create your profile, and you can create a gig. You're like, I want, you know, I'm looking for a girl on girl. I need a blonde. Please apply. And then people can apply for this gig. Or, you know, you can also search for blondes in the system and say, you know, look for, you know, blondes in Florida or whatever it is that wherever you're shooting and find that person and invite them to your gig and say, Hey, I'd love to have you shoot with me. I'm looking for someone just like you on this day. So, it allows anybody in the industry that's doing physical shooting to control calendars, see where people are, see if people are traveling, and hire people out for the day. And then after you hire someone to have this clear line of communication with the chat system that we have in order that there is no miscommunication later on. So, you don't have to do it on WhatsApp or X. Exactly. So how does the platform help creators connect and book differently than the old way? Well, the old way is kind of weird. And I've talked to a lot of people that most of their communication between other content producers is through their agency. That's it. So it's hard to find people. And there's so many of them, right? Like, what did you say? 4 million on OnlyFans? How do you find those people? How do you find someone? If you want to shoot a kink scene in New Hampshire, how do you find somebody if you don't already know somebody, right? It's like old school all over again. We've solved this problem with technology years ago, and the adult industry is so shoved down into the depths of technological, puritanical society that we don't really have a way to find those people. Not even US-based, right? Think about it worldwide, right? You go to Brazil, if you're a top OnlyFans model in the US and you go to Brazil and you're like, I want to shoot one of the top Brazil people, how do you find that person? Yeah. How do you handle safety scams and trust, especially in an industry where anonymity and privacy matter? In order to interact with the system, you have to be document verified. We need to ensure that you are who you say you are. And every file that we have, there's a flagging system. So, if there is ever an issue and you flag it, we will look into it immediately. And if the case is this person needs to be removed from the system, I have no problem with that. Like, this is a free service for people, you know? Yeah, and I meant to ask you about that. It's free. Why take that approach and what's the long-term vision? I mean, how are you monetizing it or are you? So, we originally, when we created it, we thought this is a service for people, you know, that could pay monthly for this service. And as we launched it and we got a few people on there, it was kind of like this gray area for content creators that don't really, you know, no one wants to hop into something new. It's very difficult. So we ended up saying, let's make it free. And as far as monetization goes, the concept is the content creators themselves should never have to pay. This should be free for them. Any of the job sites, right? Like Sexy Jobs is the big one. The content creators don't pay, but the producers pay. So looking down the line, if we decide to monetize, it will never be to charge the content creators. It will always be to take advertising from producers, you know, if gigs need to be promoted, things like that, or if producers want to store files on our servers so that the content creators can get clips right away. Those are the type of things we're going to monetize, not the content creators and the talent themselves. Okay. All right. And how is it different from, say, a Sexy Jobs? Sexy Jobs is run mostly by the agencies. And all the promotion is by the agencies. And sexy jobs, it's just like what we were talking about earlier with the classified ads. That's really what it is. It's like, it's sexy job is just a classified ads. It's like, call me on my telephone or message me on Instagram. So now you're back to WhatsApp and X and Instagram. Okay. That's right. So all the communication happens after that. So it's not on the platform. Okay. Correct. Yeah. Got it. Got it. So you've done a lot of non-profit work for some great organizations like Pineapple Support, who we're a sponsor of, and I thank you for that. Why is that kind of work important to you? You know, if I didn't take an altruistic view to life in general, I would be a wealthy person if I didn't give a shit about people. Tell me about it. I've helped a lot of people over the years in the adult industry that do not give a shit about human beings. And all they care about is themselves and making themselves rich. I care about this industry a lot. I mean, I obviously sharpened my teeth in it. And like pineapple support when she started. Like I was there with Leah when she started it. And, you know, I was like, you should do something about it and I will help you. Whatever you need, I'll help you. Because the idea of having a nonprofit organization that is there to help the, to provide mental support, mental health support to people in the adult industry that can't afford it or doesn't know is something that like seems so important, right? Like when you, when you go to support an industry, when you love an industry, when you love the people in it, like they should be helped. But ASACP was the same thing where they were like, they saw a problem and they were like, we should all get together and, you know, make sure that people are helped and, you know, kids aren't exploited. Like, that's not a hard thing. And, you know, even, you know, FSC, you know, when FSC was created, you know, years so long ago, but the idea was like, we need an industry resource, you know, to do this stuff. And I'll tell you where that's gone and the job that people like Allison and Mike and Valentine and the whole crew over there are doing. It's amazing. Yeah. So, for me, I've always even – I love magic. And so, I'm a member of the Magic Castle. There's a nonprofit organization there that their focus is to help out a lot of not many magicians that are rich. And a lot of those magicians get old and they have no support because they're just gig workers just like people in adult. So, their whole thing is they do two things, which is one, help old magicians that are struggling financially and help young magicians get into the industry. So, of course, I helped them. I did their website for free because those are the type of things that fill me with. I did a lot of bad shit like JavaScript pop-ups, right? I did that, right? I think there was a patent for the JavaScript pop-up for advertising purposes. I wrote the patent in 2000. I think Evan at XPays, he actually purchased it. And he told me about it, that he purchased it. And he just let it run out. And I'm like... And recently, someone... I talked about that. And someone gave me an article with this guy claiming that he created the pop-up for advertising purposes on the internet. And he is apologizing for it. And I'm like, oh, thank God. Yeah. Like, I definitely don't look at me. Don't look at me. Like, there's some things I've done that, you know, have just made the world a worse place. So, you're trying to do some good things. That's a, it's a nice balance. It's a nice balance. I think you're, I think you're net positive there. So that's good. So what's coming next for spicy gigs and what do you want creators listening to know after they heard this episode? So, you know, spicy gigs, like we're really getting started and I'm going to keep it going, you know, as long as we can, which should be a long time. And it's just going to be this resource that creators can utilize for their own purposes, whether it's you know creating their own schedules finding people that they want to collab with and all of this for free like i see there's some competitors that pop up and all of them are charging money of course you know it's sure they all want to make money tan guy that's uh that's not a revolutionary concept yeah they all they all want to make money and they all kind of like and i've looked at a few of them and they're like you know we have a iphone app and i'm like okay like I deal with Apple all the time. I build iPhone apps a lot and have for many years. And yeah, you're not, you're going to be fucked. Like I don't know, there was one competitor and I can't, I can't remember the name offhand, but they had these huge parties. I mean, multi-million dollar parties in New York and I don't think they're around anymore. And that's within the last six months. It's like six months, right? The thing is for creators, I want them to have a place that they can feel comfortable finding other people to shoot content with. And if there is an issue to have somebody out there that can help them out, which is what we're going to do. That's fantastic. Well, Tanguy, I'd like to thank you for being with us on AdultSight Broker Talk. And I hope we'll get a chance to do this again soon. I would love to. Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure. Pleasure was all mine. My broker tip today is part 7 of what to do to make your site more valuable for when you decide to sell it later. Last week we talked about trademarking your site and ways to make it unique. Next, when you decide to sell your website, make sure you have the following information available for potential buyers. Detailed information about your company, your website, and any other aspect of your operation the potential buyers may want to find out about. This should include for a pay site, a detailed inventory of your content, number of images and number of videos, how much of those are exclusive and how much are non-exclusive. Financial information for at least the last three years if your company is that old. This should include sales reports, profit and loss statements, and billing reports. Get all the information organized in a legible format that a good broker can use to sell your property. If you decide to sell it yourself, organize a list of potential buyers and start the process of contacting them. Be realistic about what your company is worth. In today's market, the kiss of death is overpricing your property. Is there anything that a potential buyer needs to know? Such as, are you being sued? Do you have any substantial debts? Don't let these things be a surprise to the potential buyer. They'll either find out before the sale and not buy, or they're going to find out after the sale, and you'll have another lawsuit on your hands. Disclose everything. We'll talk about this subject more next week. And next week, we'll be speaking with Stefan Muehlbauer of Affpal. And that's it for this week's Adult Site Broker Talk. I'd once again like to thank my guest, Tanguy DeCourson of Spicy Gigs. Talk to you again next week on Adult Site Broker Talk. I'm Bruce Friedman.
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